AJP PR7 650. Single cyl factory built hard-Adv bike!

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  1. Tenerrod

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    In short though, PR7 is classed as an enduro bike and as such does not require ABS. Only registerable as a single seat, no pillion, hence no pillion pegs.

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  2. UTB

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    Decided to look it up.

    Needs to be less than 140kgs with 90% fuel load to be an Enduro bike.

    PR7 is 165kg with fuel on their website.

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  3. UTB

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    Might well be the main reason that a buyer is being sought........the star player will be indefinitely retired in the not so distant future....
  4. spuh

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    Crazy thought!! Why not add ABS? Every major manufacturer does (of course); outfits like Bosch offer complete systems already engineered. All AJP would have to do is figure out how to mount the hardware. Software wouldn't need integration with the rest of the bike unless they wanted to add traction control or cruise control. (Which might not be bad ideas). Sounds like AJP have a real winner here but their market base is shrinking radically if they don't manage to adopt ABS.
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  5. UTB

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    Small manufacturer with limited R&D - I suspect they'll just stick to their existing markets. I've no idea on the sums but my guess is they'd shift 20-30 bikes a year in Aus max. So unlikely to be worth it?
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    a small snip off the ADR
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    Dont think they need it if the whole ADR is read
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    bzzzt - as said above, they don't meet the weight limit (150kg) for enduro, nor do they meet 6.1.6 above (< 250cc).

    This also affects the venerable DR650 and KLR650, which I understand have a current exemption due to expire in November '21. No idea what the plans are there, but we might lose them.

    SWM already has ABS on some of its models, and AJP sources the donks from them, right? So there's an established supplier/manufacturer relationship they may be able to exploit to get ABS with minimal fuss.

    Don't forget lack of ABS currently prevents them selling the PR7 as a registerable vehicle in the EU (? I'm not sure on this), so adding ABS opens more market that just Oz.
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    Yes (and I'm in Canada, we can't import one until it's 15 years old!) but it's not just Oz, the EU requires ABS and I wouldn't be surprised if their exemption for "enduro bikes" becomes more restrictive as the years pass. ABS will likely become mandatory in all the developed world eventually.
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    I've only scanned it so I'm probably missing something - but this exemption in the snip is for 250cc or less and still requires a load below 150kg?? Where do you think the exemption is in the document?
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    Looks like I was late to the party. My other concern will be the additional $2k for the ABS - which will start to take the shine off the upside. All speculation on my part of course and somewhat academic if you can't even buy one here.
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    strange that the Aussies dont just use the same rules as the Europeans. Which is focused on pillion pegs as a key determinant. Looking at those Aussie rules, I cant even see how a new KTM Factory Rally bike could be registered in Australia any more
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    Like a dog with a bone Dunc.
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  14. saltyD

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    The definition of 'enduro' is certainly aligned with the EU.

    I've got a hard-on for finding regs for a job at work at the moment.. so here 'tis.
    AU: Annex 1 of https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2017L01554

    EU: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32013R0168

    L3e-AxE (x = 1, 2 or 3)

    Enduro motorcycles

    (a) seat height ≥ 900 mm and
    (b) ground clearance ≥ 310 mm and
    (c) overall gear ratio in highest gear (primary gear ratio × secondary gear ratio in the highest speed × final drive ratio) ≥ 6,0 and
    (d) mass in running order plus the mass of the propulsion battery in case of electric or hybrid electric propulsion ≤ 140 kg and
    (e) no seating position for a passenger.
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    Cause the importer stopped importing them.
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  18. saltyD

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    .. right, but back to the pertinent question as to if/why they can be registered in the EU, when we are aligned with the EU and you won't be able to register them here as of November?
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    Because they're won't be any to register as per the importer issue?
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    Perhaps to clarify. Let's just say they were being imported. If they don't meet with the TMR requirements for an Enduro bike then they need ABS. Which they don't have. So how can they be imported (in future) and registered?

    You can still buy a DR650 which will get captured by this rule and just based on what I've heard they will be available till the end of the year (or thereabouts) and after that will not be able to be registered until they have ABS (which will likely constitute at major design change and so emissions requirements will need to be met and so the bike in the current Carb form will be finished). So assuming the same applies to the PR7 - after the end of the year it'll need ABS to be registered.

    The question then being - it appears they are still being registered in the EU without ABS - and it appears the same regulations are being applied. How is this possible?
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