Antigravity Batteries...Game Changing NEW Lithium Battery

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  1. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    Hello All,

    I wanted to present our NEW, groundbreaking, game changing Lithium Motorcycle Battery. Check the video below if you don't want to read my ramble...

    Antigravity Batteries has just created the first Motorcycle Battery ever with built in Jump-Starting. This means no matter where you are, and even if you leave your lights on and drain the battery dead.... you are going to be able to start the vehicle without the aid of a Jump-Starter, Push Starting or needing assistance.


    To give you and example... say you are out camping in the middle of the desert, and you forgot to turn off your ignition key, then you fell to sleep and woke up to a dead battery. Normally you would be utterly bummed and be stuck needing to jump-start or push start your bike... But NOT with the new RE-START Battery. Our new battery holds a reserve of energy to allow you to RE-START your bike even if you accidentally let it over-discharge. Simply press the "RE-START" button located on top the battery and start the vehicle and drive away. No booster, no push starting no jumper clamps and no assistance needed.

    But then you're saying "so freaking what...I forgot the tools to get my seat or fairing off to access the battery, so I'm still stuck" We thought of that too... we are making a remote keyfob for the Battery so you can trigger the RE-START feature without having to take the seat or fairing off. It can also be triggered by one of our MICRO-START products if you have the MICRO-START Harness kit...

    You can visit our website www.antigravitybatteries.com and learn more.

    Some models will be for sale this week and the remaining models will be available roughly 10 days later when the next container arrives.

    A couple more facts...

    -----This is the first Motorcycle Battery with a FULL BMS... over-charge, over-discharge, and thermal protections. It also has Cell Balancing and a low voltage cut-off to prevent you from OVER-DISCHARGING the battery.... if you can't over-discharge the battery you won't damage it which is the leading cause of failure in a Lithium Battery. So that is also eliminated.

    -----It has a new 4 Terminal Design that allows for easy connection in right for left side connection locations.

    -----They are an OEM drop in fitment, no foam needed to space out the case.
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  2. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    I want to know the terms conditions and details of the warranty and ALL exclusions before I click on that link.
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  3. RetiredandRiding

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    How do I get one in Asia? Do you have a distributor here? If not, would you like one?
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  4. WJBertrand

    WJBertrand Ventura Highway

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    Are these batteries made in the USA? The website says so but some dealers are stating they are Chinese. Don't want to end up with a counterfeit one!
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  5. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    HI WJ....

    They new RE-START models are made in China... the confusion is because we still make the non-RE-START versions in the USA. So the batteries without the full BMS-RE-START feature are made here in the USA, while the RE-STARTs which are a bit more complex are made in China. But I also want to state that does not mean lower quality whatsoever. All the Lithium Cells are made in China now for all the companies that do Lithium Batteries... it about the Cell Manufacturer that really is important. Additionally the Circuit Boards are quite complex so it was just too costly to import everything individually to make them here ourselves.
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  6. WJBertrand

    WJBertrand Ventura Highway

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    OK, thanks that clears it up! I'm thinking about a Li battery for my Super Tenere. Do the Re-Start batteries carry the same warranty as the others? Also is there an equivalent battery to the ATZ-10-RS, without the restart feature that's made in the US and do they have the BMS?
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  7. Chadzu

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    We just put one of these restart batteries in one of my buddies bikes. We have both been using antigravity for years without issues on our other bikes. This new battery started the bike and worked for a couple of days and then quit. Pushed the restart button and voltage came back using a meter, but when we tried to start it the voltage immediately went away again. Purchased through RMATV and they were good with return. Put the stock battery back in and bike runs no problems, charging system working properly.
    @Antigravity, what do you think the possible problem could have been? Fluke? Something we did? As I said we have used these batteries in several bikes before. I really like the small case 4cell.
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  8. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    Being honest and blunt, we have already sold over 2000 of the RE-STARTs... and the returns have been very minimal, thought I have had about 6 that have come back where the voltage would go low when the start attempt was made. Yet when we opened the battery we found the battery cell-pack was fine and started the vehicles when not going through the BMS... so it was a BMS issue. But it has been very rare (.003% percent of units sold) so we are looking into it but it is rare and we warranty for anything like that without question. What bike was it in?
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  9. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    Yes the RE-STARTs have a full Warranty without question. Because they are newer and have the built in protections for over-discharge we cover any failures since you CAN'T over-discharge it which is the usual reason for a Lithium Battery to fail. So since they have they built-in protections we don't have to check if the Customer over-discharged it since it won't allow that. So far the RE-START has been exceptionally good. As you will see above a person (Chadzu) stated they had a problem, which we acknowledge we have seen on about 6 batteries that have come back... but we at at over 2000 of these new models sold so that rate of defective is exceptionally low. But we are trying to find what it could have been since I can't stand hearing about any failures... so we are trying to see if it was a fluke defective BMS or what. But we would actually refund if a customer was ever unhappy with it. We are super happy with them, and it has eliminated many "accidental over-discharge" warranty issues from our products.

    Now about the ATZ10-RS in a non-RE-START version. Yes we do have that actually. its called our YTZ-10.... same size just without the full BMS though it has full Balancing. These are made in the USA. I would like to point out to you that the reason we made the RE-START versions of the battery was because any battery will be damaged if it is overdischarged... That means even a lead acid battery or other lithium battery model will be damaged if the battery is dropped below roughly 10.5 V. So because many people often have extra accessories on their motorcycles or perhaps they do not ride the vehicle very often and forget to recharge the battery they would often overdischarge a lithium battery and effectively damage and ruin it. So that was creating warranty issues that were actually not a fault of the battery, but at the same time the customer would be upset because they paid good money for a lithium battery and accidentally overdischarged it. So we wanted to eliminate that possibility and created the restart battery so that they could not overdischarge the battery and they would be able to re-start the vehicle if they ever did have an emergency and accidentally over-discharged the battery.

    So with all that being said we do offer both options, but if you do go with the YTZ 10 without the restart you just have to make sure you don't ever accidentally let it overdischarge because as I stated above if a lithium battery is taken below 10.5 V it can damage the cell pack inside. But the YTZ10 is a perfectly fine option and actually offers a little more power and a little more capacity compared to the re-start version because it has a little more room inside the case.

    If you have any other questions let me know
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  10. WJBertrand

    WJBertrand Ventura Highway

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    Wow, thanks for all the information, I ride pretty regularly and haven't added any parasitic load accessories over what the bike would draw stock for things like the OEM clock and maybe ECU memory? I note too that the restart model is a bit less expensive.
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  11. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    Bikes can vary on their parasitic draws depending on brand and model... but in general a stock system is fairly low.... we just tell the customer to watch out because once you add items like GPS, heated Gear, or the HID lighting you can overload the overall output of the stator to the point where the battery isn't getting charged, but addtionally much of the after market stuff doesn't really even try to create a low draw. So some of these items can draw dramatically on a small battery like in a motorcycle and creates issues. Stock is fine... but if you don't ride for a little while those stock items like instrument clusters are still drawing energy. But if your riding as you say you have no worries at all. It just many are really not riding very often like once every month or two and more. So then it becomes and issue.
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  12. WJBertrand

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    Thanks again, to be clear I've certainly got some electrical farkles but they are all disconnected from power via a relay when the ignition is off. I thought of another question (sorry) since the ATZ10-RS sounds like it has a more sophisticated BMS, is a lithium battery specific charger still required to charge them?
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  13. Antigravity

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    Yes... here is the issue, there are alot of Lead/Acid charger out there and some go into what is called De-Sulphate mode to get the Sulphate off the lead/acid cells that can develop if over discharged. But when it goes into that mode it will spike the voltage up to 17v.... and lithium will be damaged above 15v. So that a no go. ON the other hand a cheap Lead/Acid charger like a Battery Tender Jr. will keep cycling the Lithium at the end of charge and damage it. So that is why we say stay with a specific lithium charger. Another reason is because a Lithium Specific charger will gently Massage the Lithium battery back up slowly if the battery is deeply overdischarged... a Lead Acid charger won't do that for lihtium and fast charges it up from a low voltage point which can also damage the lithium battery and sometimes makes them swell or go into thermal runaway. Rare but potentially there. Last, lead acid is based on 6 cells, Lithium is 4 so some of the Lead/acid charger read lithium wrong and over-charge it.

    So that is why we say only use lithium chargers....

    For your system that disengages your farkles.... best just to install the battery.... then if your not riding for a few weeks or a week go out and see if the battery is discharging over the days you are letting it sit, and see how fast it is discharging. If it fast then you might want to track what is causing the drain on the battery... there are alot of good videos on youtube... this is a REALLY good one but related to cars but the same principals apply.

    Its long, a little boring but I think everyone should watch it through just to really understand all the things behing it...

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  14. WJBertrand

    WJBertrand Ventura Highway

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    Thanks again for all the useful information.
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    I got an xp-10 lithium ~2-1/2 years ago, and used it a few times to power my cpap. Kept it charged up & in the house, never abused.

    Last time I took it out, the case was cracking open, looked like the battery/gizmos inside wanted to break out. So I called the support fone --- they suggested to not use it anymore & throw it out. They'd gimme 25% off a new one...riiiiiiiight...NFW! :flush
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  16. MikefromNL

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    You're off by a factor of 100 there. 0.3%, not 0.003%.

    Do you know for any inmates with one of these in an africa twin? I'm interested but the battery box is such a pain on the AT. I would rather carry a jump starter than have to pull the battery out to push the button on it.
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  17. KTM Mike

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    I am considering a "re-start" ATZ-7 for my KTM 300. I cant find a clear answer of what then length of the warranty is . One website said 6 months, another said 3 years. Above the only mention of warranty is "Yes the RE-STARTs have a full Warranty without question.". How long does this warranty last?
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  18. JRWooden

    JRWooden Homeless motorcycle vagabond ... and ... loving it

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    @Antigravity :

    the warranty page on the website: https://shop.antigravitybatteries.com/warranty/
    does not seem to call out the Re-start version of the batteries separately (or I missed it...)
    You said above it was pretty much a no-questions asked warranty due to the advanced BMS?
    Is the warranty duration three years?

    I own a CTEK MUS 4.3 charger. I know that step #1 is a quick desulphate.
    Would that screw up an AntiGravity battery?
    I *KNOW* the recondition mode (optional step #6) on the CTEK would be bad,
    wondering about the voltage applied at step #1 which can not be programmed out...
    I hate to buy another charger if I do not have to do so....................
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  19. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    In regards to the Warranty... it is not a "no-questions asked Warranty" and sorry that is inferred, because you do have to follow certain procedures, and use of the proper charger. The BMS is not a cure all for using the wrong charger or being put in a bike with a faulty voltage regulator, or using a tiny battery for a massive motor. There would be responsibility for the User to maintain the battery and use it in the proper application. We mean that in normal use if it were to fail we would not deny a warranty.

    The Desuphate mode is a profile that LEAD/ACID Chargers use which is designed to remove Sulfation from Lead/Acid batteries by spiking the voltage to the battery. This should NOT be used with a Lithium Battery and unfortunately would be a condition that would damage a Lithium Battery. So don't use that charger. Lithium does not Sulphate so this mode is not good for it.
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  20. JRWooden

    JRWooden Homeless motorcycle vagabond ... and ... loving it

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    THANKS for the speedy reply!

    Understood on desulphate - thanks.
    Beyond NOT doing the desulphate ... are there any other key differences between L/A and Lithium chargers?

    Also, good on the warranty ... I understand gross stupidity on part of the owner can't be covered ;-)
    I have a BMW F650GS twin and would be buying the HD restart so I'm good there.
    I replaced my OEM R/R with a Cycle Electric CE 605 SB is that an "approved" R/R?
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