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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by woody's wheel works, Jan 28, 2012.
Can't wait to see a S10 with a 21 fron wheel
Hello Woody ... I have completed and installed the front fender ready to receive the 21" wheel including the extension of the brake line that crosses from one side to the other ... we need a double brake SS line system ... Jaxon is the man
This little thread has been kinda quiet of late. Got any piccies of shiny things Woody???
How's the progress going matey...
hi there,,,back in Denver town,,,and this is what i found waiting to be shipped to Wasp man....the complete assy ,,,spacers,,,discs and all as seen weighs in just under 15lbs/6.75Kg...
so ,the pickle is the 310mm rotors we sourced from KTM/galfer/Braking are 5mm thick...Greg confirmed the oem ones are 4.5mm thick...usually the larger rotors are 5mm thick when used for Super-motard work for better heat dissipation....if i can source 4.5mm thick units that'll be another weight tsaving,,,
IMHO,,,using these on the single dsic versions would be a better set-up for heat dissipation purposes...i really do not think under normal desert riding racing that heat will be an issue,,,these issues show up mostly in motard/road-racing type of braking...
so we'll see what else i can do to come up with weight reduction,,,by the time we mount tires/tubes i believe we'll still end up lighter than the OA oem 19'' assy...not to mention the improved handling capability of the 21''
the single disc unit is awaiting a silver rim and thagua's stuff is at the anodizers...will keep ya posted
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How PORN is that?????
The race is on... Who gets there's first - Thagua or Tha Waspman...?
Soooooo hang'n out to get this on and into the bush.
greg n i have been discussing the possibility of 320mm rotor on the single disc version ,,here's his findings
I went and measured/photographed the front of the bike to evaluate the 320mm disc fitment possibility
. Dont see its going to be an easy or even possible fit.
There is only around 2.5mm clearance on radius from the disc O.D to the caliper swept radius.
You can see in the pic above and below, the caliper mount casting at the bottom of the forks is around 15mm thick and not conducive (or probably mechanically correct) to flogging the holes oversize to move the caliper outboard.
I could machine an adaptor plate to swing the caliper out/down, but would it be worth it? I dunno..?
It wont be too much trouble at all to either modify an OEM brake line clamp, or to manufacture a new clamp for the R.H side for dual disc set ups.
we're building a single disc version of the Superlite ST-S the dual disc designation will be Superlite ST-D
so by going single disc we'll have the folowing benefits /weight savings..
1,,,A-60=15+% stronger than double signature Excels comes in black only with silver racing stripe circa $200 versus $291 for black 1.85x21 Excel
weighs lbs versius lbs = lb saving
2,,, one disc and mounting hardware saves lbs
3,,one less caliper saves=
crossover brake line and double banjo bolt save=
4.,,,i'm positive that the existing master cylinder will not provide adequate brake pressure...all the Sumo kits using 320mm single disc come with smaller master cylinder piston diameters,,more on that later
FYI,,we have alot of experience building super tuff and durable wheels for the long distance racer/advriders so the 21'' single disc solution is a quantum leap in hard off-road riding
one last comment is for the 21'' dual disc set-up....i'm not a big fan of the low across the fender X-over brake line set-up....however in our ST scenario,,,i'm entertaing the idea of using a X-over line with the exception that it comes all the way up the right side and then goes down to the left caliper....we'd achieve the desired result and it would allow all the existing components...at a much reduced cost..using braided sss line would also enhance the brake feel
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hi thaqua,,here's a peek at your wheels,,sorry the pics aren't in perspective,,we'll correct later
,,,zach will install bearings and spacers tomorrow,,,,then put everything together,,will weigh etc at same time,,then dissassemble and send em to be re-anodized black
Hi Woody ... nice job but the wheel rims were supposed to be black!!!! ... and the brake discs are missing!!! ... maybe they are Wasps special order ... lol
WOO HOO - Wheels are on the way - Received tracking info and looks like they should lob here mid of next week..
Thanks Woody's Wheel Work's combined dudes..You guy's ROCK..
I'm like a dog with two dick's at the moment..
Better get that 90/90/21 tyre ready to wack on..
Hey Greg ... those were mine ... I have ready the high fender for these wheels ... we need the double brake hoses running from the top ... here a preview of the fender with the low one still attached.
Thagua and Wasp-man,,you have the missing link,,,,
please place bike on center-stand so that the front fork is fully extended,,,get a measuring tape and run it in the same path as the oem one BUT over the top of your high fender... we do not need the angle of the banjo fitting because it is straight and on the same plane WOW,,too easy !!!!
VOILA,,we'll be on our way,,,
so the modified left bracket ,the proper length ss braided brake line, and a tie-tie of two should have us going...
only other thing that occurred to me is whether ya'll want a vinyl covered line or not
i get high with a lil help from my international/galactic friends out there
muchas gratias roberto
thus,,formula for success:
from center-line of left banjo bolt over the top of hi-fender down to C/L of right banjo bolt + 1''/25mm [to assure no stress in line] = OA length of 21'' brake-line
just wanted to make sure ya'll are measuring from the same place i do
At Woody's request:
Here's the pic that he was trying to link to..
P.S -He might make great wheels, but cant insert pics for shit!!!
Hi Woody and Greg ...front high fender installed after making some adjustments ...
the extended 2" brake line for my extended low fender is hanging with a piece of wire ...
measured as indicated and we have 850 mm from center to center of banjo bolts
shouldn't it be easier to come from the distribution manifold with 2 hoses coming one each side? and use the same bracket as the left side on the right side just as Wasp indicated?
My 2 cents, cheers,
I dunno Roberto. The hose coming from the manifold block is crimped and soldered so you would have to design/fab another distribution manifold with two seperate lines.
You are right Greg ... I have been in touch with a brake line manufacturer and he has all the necessary items to do the conversion ... the only trouble is that he does not have the high tech brake hoses as those used by Jason (Rideonadv) ... will make some work tomorrow ...
IMHO,,after looking at all my drawings,all of your pics,,i assert,that it will be far more difficult and costly to do the double line version,,,the dilemna is that the left line becomes the junction box... the bike i had was covered in mud,,,and hence i thought oh just unscrew the banjo bolt up there and then use a double banjo bolt and pop lines together at the junction box,,not so fast matey....after looking at the clearer pics and confirming the microficehe drawings i concluded it won't be quite as quick n easy..hence my alternative solution...it's not insurmountable to do the double line toute but why bother witht the hassle
i'll get galfer to make me up a few ,since we are working on a variety of other projects together...
c'mon guys,,ya gotta admit a double ended 850mm brake line will be a lot simpler,,,cheaper,,,and quicker to deal with...all ya have to do is remove /swap the oem lin efor the new one ,,just R&R the 2 banjo bolts,swap lines and bleed the system
now wasp-man you were thinking of routing em the front of the forks and over ????,,what would the advantage of that set up be...
OBTW,,Thaguas front fender won't interfere with the skid plate ,like that ''extended oem fender '' scenario you were telling me about,,it'll never come close to the skid plate:>)
'nuff said,,,thanks for the dimensions Thagua,,do ya want me to include it with your wheels which will be ready next week,,,rims should be back from anodizers on tuesday...unfortunately the 10 extra brake line brackets will be 3 weeks out...
PS,,thanks for all the pics wasp-man n Thagua
Hes anyone had a chance to put an eye over Francesco's S10. Anyone got any closeup pics???? and wether or not he did the Single front disc mod himself or if Yamaha did the work for him....
The setup he is using on his Youtube footage seems to be working a treat and looks so simple, (uncluttered)...
Can do it double with this connections ... very simple and only USD$60