Aviation MegaThread!!!!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by EvilGenius, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    All in all, excepting for periods of significant brutality which (for now), has been somewhat damped out - things are better now for an aspiring airline pilot. Better opportunities, equipment, training, even, to a degree, pay. I think that's a fair trade and worth waiting for 1,500 hours.
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  2. inpayne

    inpayne Been here awhile

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    I agree, but hey I'm a millennial. I want instant gratification :D

    For now, I fly as much as possible as CFI and any other part time gigs I can pick up, but seems as of now if I can get 500 hours a year while working my real job it will be a real challenge to keep flying, wife and kids, and real job happy. Always a compromise I suppose.
  3. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    All this continuing doom and gloom about risk and dying from the pilots perspective.
    You think its any better being in the office managing airworthiness, check packs, paperwork compliance?
  4. airheadPete

    airheadPete Wherever they send me. Supporter

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    I’m on 35 hours in Maui. :D
    EWR’s ok. We’re right next to Penn Station & the Portuguese district, so there’s good food and an easy ride into Manhattan.
    DTW is another matter... The only place where a cab driver has ever told us to make sure the doors were locked and I actually saw cars on cinderblocks curbside.
    Yeah, the hotel had bars over the exterior windows.
  5. airheadPete

    airheadPete Wherever they send me. Supporter

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    No.
    That’s death by suicide. Or papercuts.
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  6. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    The Portuguese district is Ironbound. It's bounded by railroad tracks. I spent many years with a crashpad there on Prospect st. Some really fine food there. I actually grew to like the hood,,,,,,sorta. We made friends with most of the neighbors. Had bar-b-ques in the back yard where we invited the neighbors. Got invited to their kids borthday parties as well. We had some pretty good cooks in the pad as well. Our crashpad life was not your usual crashpad. We had big TV's with surround sound. Good workout jim in the garage, with videos etc. It was a good place to go when you were at work, in between trips.
  7. Chibiabos

    Chibiabos Undercover Mollusk

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    Got bored and thought I'd try to see if I could solve wind triangles without a ruler. Managed it, but it's definitely more practical to just use the E6B slide rule and accept the fact that there's going to be a bit of error. I did get to draw a lot of shapes while I groped my way through my trig though...
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  8. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff. Supporter

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    Sorry it seems to be an inconvenience but the 1,500 hour minimum came about because we were repeatedly going to accidents caused by weak pilots who got into air carriers with low time and the 49 fatalities in Colgan flight 3407 were the straw that broke the camel's back. Here's the report and yes there were victims on the ground, including in the house they came down on.
    https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1001.pdf

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    The Captain (flying) started with 618 hours and then had 4 disapprovals on checks, and needed an additional 3 remedial training sessions. His lack of professionalism on the CVR was astounding. He was not that unusual at the time. While the F/O started with a bit over 1,400 hours, it was the Captain's leg and they both had very little or poor sleep leading into the flight. They were conversing as the airplane approached a stall then both inappropriately responded when it did.
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  9. That.guy

    That.guy Been here awhile

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    Ain't nobody got time for that. Just fly track up or direct to waypoint and adjust TAS to make your GS match what it needs to be so you arrive on time.
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  10. Chibiabos

    Chibiabos Undercover Mollusk

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    I had some free time today and I've been wondering about the errors that accumulate from my E6B due to things like parallax and the fact that pencil leads are about a millimeter thick. :dunno

    In all honesty, I should have already known how to solve those triangles. I just suck complete ass at geometry.
  11. flybigjet

    flybigjet Remove Before Flight Supporter

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    And this? Is why we have Millennials (who know *everything* and don't want to be mentored) bidding Captain in under four years, and then bitching about how horrible life on Reserve, how they can't hold weekends off, and how it's not "fair" that more senior pilots bid on top of them and then get better trips/lines etc. :D
  12. Shaggie

    Shaggie Unseen University Supporter

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  13. inpayne

    inpayne Been here awhile

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    I understand that, and I actually agree with the rule. My issue wasn't the 1500 hours but how does having a 4 year degree in aviation (I have a 4 year degree in a unrelated subject) make you any better pilot that allows you to get your ATP at 1k hours? I understand "why" it is, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

    I got checked out in a small plane for some local companies the other day. There was myself and another guy. This guy has 2500 hours, and 500 hours in type. I've never been more scared in my life sitting in the backseat of that airplane while he got checked out. He did not pass the checkout, and honestly should receive some remedial training asap. Meanwhile I proved that although I only have 350 hours I was a safe, competent pilot. I learned that day that hours have literally zero effect on how skilled a pilot is. Stick and rudder, AND judgement.

    Hey I'm just happy to be here. And hope to be in "any airline" position in the next few years. I really enjoy being mentored and learning from a lot of pilots that have more experience than me. I don't have the time or enough lives to make everyone else's mistakes.

    But a lot of those guys go through pilot mills, the people mentoring them are hardly out off flight school themselves. I get it. I'm one of those guys, nothing wrong with us teaching them, but having some variety I think is good.

    Through my training i've had CFI's that
    have thousands of dual (Most of them)
    135 check pilots x2
    Brand new CFI x1
    old school crop duster that is the best stick and rudder pilot i've ever met (tailwheel CFI)
    Cobra Vietnam and army aviation school instructor vet cfi

    I try and take the lessons they have taught me and place them into my training. I have learned the value of mentorship. I can see how guys/girls that have never had a great mentor could not want to be mentored and get jaded.
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  14. UncaBuddha

    UncaBuddha Well, Okay then.

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    >>I learned that day that hours have literally zero effect on how skilled a pilot is.<<<

    Now holdonaminit there kiddo. You are saying you are as good as YOU are ever gonna get with 350 hours??? Probably not.
    Some folks never should make it out of flight school is what you are saying. And no amount of hours will make them better. I have only flown with one of those in my current job. Every other FO has been pretty doggone good. Some better than others, sure, but all safe (even the really new ones that were nervous landing this big teddy bear Airbus).

    I thought you were hired at UPS already! <G>
  15. inpayne

    inpayne Been here awhile

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    No absolutely not. Just about every time I fly I learn something, and i'm always working to improve my skills, and always reading to improve my knowledge. I don't think that will ever change. So no... I'm probably a shit pilot compared to what i'll be at 700, 1500 or 7000 hours. I'm just saying hours are not the end all be all of skill determination and this was a lesson I learned the other day.

    I think it depends on how those hours are acquired are important. Flying around the pattern in a 150 I can rent for 1500 hours won't really prepare me for a ATP flying gig... compared to a verity of flight instructing, 91, and 135 flights. It also doesn't help if you are "practicing" the wrong way. By Practicing the wrong way, or not the right experience I probably would never make it through the training to be your FO... I'm sure there are plenty of people that wash out before they make it to you that were otherwise "qualified" no?

    Do some people lack "the right stuff" Idk... maybe? I think it comes more natural to some people than others. But I think anyone that puts in the effort can at least be a safe pilot. Will it be easy? Probably not, but possible yes. I believe the amount of people that should never make it out of flight school are very very small. I mean they had to have gotten their certs somehow so at least at one point they knew how to fly.

    And no I don't work for UPS, I said I would love to based on what I know... Sorry if you thought that's what I meant I don't mean to ever misconstrue my experience. That is a LONG way down the road for me at this point, if ever.
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  16. staticPort

    staticPort Meditrider Supporter

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    Why does having a 4-year Aviation degree make one eligible for an ATP with only 1,000 hours of flight time while any other 4-year degree holders must have 1,500 hours?
    Good question. This requirement was legislated by congress following the above referenced Colgan crash. Might it be that large universities with expensive aviation programs convinced their congressional representatives that they could produce better pilots?
    In times past airlines did not require a 4-year degree. It has been suggested that the more recent requirement was mostly a screening mechanism. Will the 'pilot shortage' eventually be addressed by autonomous aircraft?

    Do some individuals lack "the right stuff" to be professional aviators? Yep, some do. Not many, but there is a small percentage of folk who just need to pursue 'other opportunities".
  17. Chibiabos

    Chibiabos Undercover Mollusk

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    You can barely get a job doing anything without a four year degree. Most non-flyer types would definitely feel more comfortable knowing that the guys driving the plane went through some expensive program offered by a more or less prestigious university than they would with whatever misfit turned out to make for a pretty good pilot even if that misfit turned out to be an objectively better pilot and the guy with the aviation degree was kind of a clown. At this point a bachelor's degree is pretty much like a high school diploma.
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  18. staticPort

    staticPort Meditrider Supporter

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    No argument, Chibiabos; agreed that pretty much everyone needs a degree. Back in the sixties I missed an airline "hiring window" when I chose to complete a 4-year degree. Years later I paid a bunch for my son to attend one of those prestigious universities, but it was well worth it as he is now a wide-body captain.
  19. chazbird

    chazbird Long timer

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    Back to gloom & doom. I think this implies the Max wasn't properly certified. BBC radio report that European authorities want to test the aircraft stability and approach to stall behavior without MCAS.

    On Oct 11th 2019 the Joint Authorities Technical Review (JATR), having formed a panel to look into the FAA's oversight and certification procedures and having been commissioned by the FAA in April 2019, reported: "The JATR team found that the MCAS was not evaluated as a complete and integrated function in the certification documents that were submitted to the FAA." The JATR continued: "The lack of a unified top-down development and evaluation of the system function and its safety analyses, combined with the extensive and fragmented documentation, made it difficult to assess whether compliance was fully demonstrated."

    So-so New York Times story on the JATR report here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/business/boeing-737-max.html
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  20. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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