BergDonk's DR650s

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  1. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    But before Julio could head out again on his 790, the source of the developing oil leak needed to be found. He did have his backup 650, 'Bertha', in case, but with Rick on his 790, Julio preferred to be 790 mounted too. There's a few places that DR650s can leak oil from, the cam chain tensioner, aka CCT, gasket is one, and seemed a likely candidate this time, but no.


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    Then LilSteve spotted it, it was the bolt out of the back of the CCT. Happily, it had fallen out and dropped down, wedging itself between the starter and crankcase. A little magnetic magic and it was retrieved and reinserted, sorted.


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    Winner, and checking for leaks, just in case.
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  2. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Monday and its off to the 'Top of the World' for a 168 km in and out.

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    As it happened, only Rick and Julio got to the Top of the World. About 95% of the way up the trail forked, straight ahead was a couple of off camber large rock steps, bearing left looked like an easier bypass. I found Joyce on her side part way up that bit, the bypass was proving to be no easier. Rick arrived, looked at it, and decided that the first option might be easier, doubled back and headed off up the snotty off camber rock ledges. We walked up the slope, looking for alternate lines, which I spotted, and after clearing a few rocks, it looked not so bad. Just then Julio arrived and I pointed out the better, not immediately so obvious line, and he headed off after Rick, to the top.

    We four, Joyce, Phil, LilSteve and myself decided on discretion and awaited their return. When they did, Rick felt the need to try the line option that Julio took, and failed. The picture does no justice to the difficulty involved, and the slope. Rick is lying where he stopped rolling after separating from his bike. Note the lean on the tree behind Rick's bike.

    The climb up to this stop point had been moderately technical, with bits of sand interspersed with rocks, steps and ledges. Contributing to my decision not to proceed was that my KLX was getting a bit crankier as the altitude increased, and being still a bit cramped on the bike, with the forks giving my gammy arm a hammering, my decision not to get to the top this time was easy.




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    After the up and down towards the Top of the World, we did another in and out along a narrow canyon, Onion Creek IIRC. Speccy again :D

    Speccy, an Aus abbreviation of spectacular!



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    I think LilSteve farted, whatever happened, it created a concerned consensus.



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  3. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Back to the house and its time for more repairs. Seems the LED taillight on Joyce's WR250R is on the fritz and with nothing else to do but cool down and drink beer, a repair job is undertaken. LilSteve has the tools, including a soldering kit, and skills, and voila, sorted.

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    I think there may have been another late afternoon ride, not sure, but Phil and I at least stayed back to cool down and veg a bit.
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    Tuesday and its time for some Slick Rock, or a taste at least, 97 kms all up.

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    We headed off south west on the highway for a bit, going anticlockwise. This meant we would pass through the toll gates on the way out and not have to pay. Note that our route to the east then north was much greener, and as it happened much higher. The extra height meant my KLX wouldn't take more than half throttle. It was becoming apparent that the doughiness down low was a rich condition, now exacerbated by the extra altitude. If it stayed like this, I'd not be riding anything technical.



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    A few kms out, I realised I'd left my camelbak back at the house, oops. I was taking 2x3 litre bladders with me, and consuming most of one on the rides, so I needed it. I headed back with Julio while the others hung about. As it happened, where I'd turned around was next to the local MX track. Its open to anyone, not even a gate, so the crew had a play while I went for my hydration pack. This is Rick on his 'cheater'.



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    Rick got his boot dusty. Note he's on his 'cheater' bike for this ride.





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    Some slick rock appeared, they're petrified sand dunes and a unique riding experience.




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    Fins and Things is shared with 4x4s and SxSs. Of interest to me is that SxSs are OK on the road, as long as they have basic lighting, which means turn signals are not required, although hand signals help. Bit weird dodging the things down town.


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    Happily, the Slick Rock sampler planned, called 'Fins and Things' was lower down and the bike wasn't so bad down there. If I've got it right, we did from #8 to #25 on the above map, maybe 7 miles. Most approaches to the climbs, or the ends, are soft sand, often with a sharp turn at the base, so it needs some care, and gaining momentum could be tricky. I came closest to having an off on one steep incline, front deflected, and I went across the slope rather than up. I stopped, wiggled the front and got it pointing down OK, and went back down for another go on a slightly different line. Rick reckoned from above looking down that he was surprised I kept it upright. A bit before or after, I managed to find neutral in some soft sand, my boots and gear lever weren't always in alignment, and stopped. Which baulked Joyce following and she went down, so that one didn't really count. I think by this stage of the week I was the only one not to have had an off, and managed to keep my record intact for the duration too. Which of course, was consistent with one of my key objectives, to go home uninjured.

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    On a hill not unlike this one, my front wheel was in the air like in the picture, and I was as far forward as I could get on the KLX, bearing in mind my arm that doesn't bend, and the proximity of my GPS to my gut. This meant I passed on the option of the proper full on Slick Rock trail this time around, along with Joyce, Phil, and LilSteve. Of course Julio and Rick on his cheater headed off on it, but I think that they pulled out early, it was getting HOT again! If I had my Berg there, and it was a little cooler, I'd have been up for it.


    The slick rock riding proved to be the highlight of all the riding I did. The terrain is nothing like anything I've ridden anywhere in Oz, and I'm not aware we have anything like it anyway. The other riding was all about the scenery, of which there is so much variety to see.


    @J-min, aka Jeff, @Fishnbiker's son who I rode with out of LaSal posted this gopro footage of him riding the first bit of Fins and Things on his Husky/KTM 350 after LaSal.

  5. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Back at the house, a puddle of oil had appeared under Rick's DR790.

    Seems LilSteve's oil bottle and Rick's bike interacted. Kept Rick occupied for a bit anyway.:jack
  6. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Wednesday and its a run out and back to Chicken Corners. Julio, leading, missed a turn, and we did some extra through town and back. Once again, I didn't quite get all the way, the constant fork jarring was starting to cause me issues with my arm. I mentioned above, it has limited movement. It is the result of a crash road racing way back in the mid 1970s. At one stage amputation was on the cards, but after numerous surgeries, including rewiring, its been good enough. Except sometimes my hand stops working, and as its my right hand, its gets a bit critical when riding. So rather than push my luck the last couple of kms, I rested it a bit, and headed back on my own to the only challenge bit of the ride to observe what happened when the pack returned. I did 109 kms in and out. The rest of the crew did a little bit more

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    I got about 1 mile short of the end of the trail, red spot above, which was frustrating, but discretion etc....


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    It was at this point I stopped and soaked up the panorama for a bit while the rest went on to the end of the trail. This is where Rick managed to stop, just in time as it happened. Another few inches and....





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    Julio likes the technical options, of which there were numerous.
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    That afternoon Ian and Marcie arrived and unloaded. Julio and Rick (and maybe Joyce, and ?) took Ian for a short ride, while the rest of us stayed cool. Did I mention it was HOT?


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    Then that evening we all climbed aboard the Pussy Wagon and headed downtown to the local brewery for a beer and feed, the first time we'd dined out since arriving in Moab.


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    Leaving the brewery we spotted a ute/truck parked outside. We found the operators, Lynn and @procycle's elder brother, whose name evades me for the moment (EDIT, Terry). They had a couple of DR200s, with an RX3 wedged in between, along with an XL250 they'd found on the side of the road along the way and acquired for $50 or so on the rack. Seems with a little tinkering they got it operational too. A couple of real characters who came up to the house later, where this picture was taken, house is in the upper right. We caught up with them again at the Rally.





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    It was great to meet @Mongle, aka Ian, and Marcie, and their two dogs. They'd been travelling for days from North Carolina to get to Moab. Dexter is wearing sunnies, and ? is checking out the activity on the street.
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    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Then Thursday rolled around and it was time to pack up and leave Moab and head down the road about 75 kms to 3 Step Hideaway out of Lasal, the Rally venue.

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    Not sure, but I think over 60 attendees made it in the end, from all over the US, including @JagLite, aka James, from Alaska and @DR790, aka Bob, and @Fishnbiker, aka Ken, and @J-min, aka Jeff from Canada. Bob had visited us in Oz last year and it was great to catch up with him again. Ken had also been in Oz a couple of times, and we'd had plans to meet up, but deferred it to the Rally.

    The Rally became a bit of a blur, so many people to meet face to face and have a chat with, and I didn't manage to talk to everyone in the end I know. In the leadup, when it had become apparent that a number of the attendees that had been unsure of attending, had only decided to come along because I would be there meant I was starting to feel a bit like a circus attraction :fpalm




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    @Nogoodnamesleft, aka Simon, was with us in spirit, as well as somewhat literally, as he'd supplied some beer for us all to partake. Here he is giving DR legend @ER70S-2, aka Craig, a big hug. I suppose of all the people at the Rally, I was most keen to meet up with Craig and we did get the opportunity to spend some time together. We even headed out for a ride on Saturday, but he had a few issues with his WR250R and bailed early. Maybe he should have taken his DR?
    Next time :beer




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    Julio had posted up a pile of tracks out of 3 Step for people to choose from. No formal ride as such was planned and it would be up to each individual to decide which ride they'd go on. Expecting to go out with someone 'local', I'd largely ignored them, but at the last minute, decided I should at least have them all on my Montana, just in case....
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    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Its Friday and time to ride again. I discussed with, and made plans to follow, I think, @drmiller100, aka Doug, but it might have been someone else. Whatever, confusion reigned, and it became up to me to lead out Ken, Jeff, and I think it was Kent, on his 1190, so one only DR out on my ride. OK, I need to load a track and we'll see where it takes us. I randomly picked the Ucolo Montezuma track which looked like it a fair bit of twisty bits after the straight bits and off we went, following the pink line and leveraging my local knowledge :scratch

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    Not many photos, but I was spotted at one of our breaks leveraging the shade. It was HOT again!

    220 kms and we returned to 3 Step somewhere between 15 and 16:00. I think. It was a pretty cruisy ride through some spectacular scenery once again. The run along Montezuma Creek was especially enjoyable. I worked out later that the green coloured tracks were the easy ones, and that's what I'd randomly selected. At a latter regroup, my KLX failed to restart, pushing the starter button did nothing :( Hmm, maybe a dropped battery cell, not sure, but I've had a few bike batteries do that to me in recent years. Fortunately, I was on a bit of sloping ground and a bump start got it going easily enough. I then thought about it, and realised that the electrics were OK, except the cranking, so maybe the battery was OK. No worries, and I didn't shut it down until we got back to 3 Step.

    Jeff did take some gopro footage which may emerge later.

    Back at 3 Step, trying to work on the bike was too hard as it was time to socialise once again.

    And then it was time for the drag race.



    The drag race.

    Rick and LilSteve had been needling each other a bit for months building up to this. Rick was enamoured with his Ian @Mongle built 790 and LilSteve of course had the one and only @procycle built 900. So the 900 should win, but....


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    The 900 had a fuel leak. If you look closely above, you'll see the carb overflow leaving a puddle under the bike. LilSteve had fitted a new needle ans seat to its almost new TM42 to no avail, but pride was now at stake. As my KLX was u/s for the time being, I'd hopped on LilSteve's 650 to putt down to the start line on the tar outside the 3 Step gate. My thought was not to race, but putt down a bit and constitute the finish line That didn't happen, they got going too soon in all the excitement, as the adrenaline flowed.

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    LilSteve fluffed the 1st start and lost that run, although he was gaining when he finally got it moving. 1 zip to Rick, but his advantage didn't last. 3 to 1 to the 900 IIRC in the end, even with a rider swap. The 900 has some serious go for sure, and one of my minor regrets from the trip was not getting to have a run on it.
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    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Next morning, Saturday, I decided to try to figure out if my bike was fixable. Through a process of elimination, and being able to hear a faint clicking up under the tank, I found a relay, not the starter relay which is under the back of the seat. Although having a KLX back home, it'd been many years since I'd thought about their electrical system. Anyway, I decided it must be associated with side stand and clutch safety interlock and it should be bypassable. However a quick fiddle with the connector and it was working again, cranking over as it should. I used a shot of WD40 to clean the connector and a zip tie to secure it and it still worked :ricky

    Sorted, I thought, so back on with the the tank and seat and fire it up, except it won't go and there is a visible fuel leak. Hmmm, seems the fuel hose out of the fuel tap now has a split, so a trim and back on and good to go, except it just will not fire despite cranking strongly. Pulled the plug and its dry, albeit showing rich running, and we knew that, and a healthy spark. The float bowl drain indicated fuel, and the exhaust pulsing suggested compression, so with fuel, spark and compression it should go.

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    Hmmm, what next, a bump start perhaps, but there's not much slope. Lynn and Jeff's brother, whose name I still can't recall, (EDIT, Terry) decided to tow start it. Which they did, it fired as the clutch came out and subsequent button tests suggested it was good again. No idea :hmmmmm:loco:dunno

    So, with the bike now alive again, might as well go for another ride.
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    Time to ride. After yesterday's success navigating, Ken and Jeff decided to follow me again, and also Craig and Rick and, I think, Al. Kent had to do some welding repairs to his 1190, and I'm not sure where he went. This time I deliberately picked a green easy track and off we went for a largely uneventful 305 kms into the LaSal Mountains and up Geyser Pass.

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    Some real altitude this time and the bike definitely wasn't happy, blubbering away at anything over half throttle, and the fuel weep reappeared. I ignored the fuel weep and managed to keep my wheels turning, with my followers in tow. Although Craig and Al had bailed early, Craig's bike playing up, maybe with a dead battery, and Al's back giving him grief.

    Once again I leveraged my 'local' knowledge to follow a pink line on my GPS and didn't get us lost and bike started every time :D

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    No more photos that I've spotted, and none that Google is revealing that make sense to me, so you'll have to trust me that it was another day of speccy scenery and great, cruisy riding with the crew :beer
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    Cheers for taking the time to write all this up.:thumb

    Some unique scenery for sure.
    I've never seen or been on anything like those petrified sand dunes.
    Must have been enjoyable to have a completely new surface type to ride on and experience.
    Looks a bit like riding around a massive Bald Rock national park.

    Some stunning scenery.
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    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    No worries, almost done, just a couple more posts. The slick rock is special and was the highlight of the riding for me for sure. Lots of grip, as long as its dry.
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    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Around 3 Step as things wound down.

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    Just a couple of injuries, which is never good, young blokes, happens IIRC....

    Then it was Sunday morning, time to pack up, say our goodbyes and all start heading home.
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    themandan Been here awhile

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    Thanks for posting tthe report, its been great seeing what went on and how wonderful your hosts were.

    I looked into geting over, but just couldn't make it work.
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    After loading up the Pussy Wagon and saying goodbye to everyone, which took a while, it was time to high tail it 740 kms to Phoenix. Julio had to go to work Monday, the next day, so a lazy trip south wan't an option. And once he'd got mobile/cell service, he was informed of a domestic crisis that he needed to address. His mother had come to visit and she doesn't get on with Julio's wife, which also meant I was on my own when and where I hopped out of the Pussy Wagon.

    I found a motel near the airport and booked in for 2 nights, Sunday and Monday and the boys dropped me off. We said our farewells, not being sure if we'd catch up again before I flew out. This meant I had plenty of time to leverage the motel laundromat to clean my gear, as well as scrub down my boots, helmet and armour etc in the bath. Australian bio security is serious, and especially as I live in the bush, I have no issue with that.

    I also organised a hire car to be collected on Monday at 15:30 or so which meant I would return it a few hours before my exit flight the following Tuesday week for a neat multiple of 24 hr hire.

    I got an Uber to the airport and then a shuttle to the rental car pickup where the parting words were no off road... It was a Mitsubishi Outlander Sport, known as an ASX downunder, and should be up for a few dirty bits. I didn't ask for a definition of off road in case they meant any unsealed surface, which happens, and I headed out into the traffic with the GPS set for my motel, all on the wrong side of the road, still.

    I'd taken my Montana with me, having waypointed the motel, and rental car place for my return the following week. The first set of lights I came to were red and I had to make a left turn. Left turns are the trickiest for us used to driving on the left, but I'd been passengering heaps and riding the KLX on the right with no issue for days, so how could it go wrong? Well it did.

    There's 2 lanes going each way, with left and right turning lanes for each direction. I pull up in the left turn lane and wait for a green arrow. When it comes on, I turn left, keeping 2 lanes of traffic on my left which seemed about right. Problem was that I'd turned into their left turn lane, with the traffic island on my right and heading for a head on with traffic coming directly towards me. Doh! Stop, engage reverse and back into the intersection, into forward and keep the traffic island on my left. Note to self, pay extra extra attention!

    All good and no damage done :D

    So, where to go Tuesday? I looked at the map and the most interesting way to get some elevation and get out of the heat, did I mention it was HOT, was up US88, the Apache Trail along the Salt River which took me up to Roosevelt Dam. Roosevelt Dam is an old one that was upgraded back in the mid 1990s, and I'd actually visited it when the upgrades were starting 1994 when I came over for a technical exchange with the USBR.

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    Heaps more speccy scenery and the road became ultra smooth sandy gravel. I wondered if I was off road...


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    and what it looks like now, 76' higher IIRC. The original is still under all the new concrete.

    On I went and ended up in Albquerque after 713 kms.



    On our recent trip to Lake Eyre we'd spent an afternoon and night at White Cliffs, an opal town in NW NSW. We'd met a US family there who were into opals and from Los Alamos. Knowing Los Alamos has an interesting history, I set the GPS and off I headed the next day, Wednesday. I was surprised to find that I had to go through a security check point to get into town. I found the local museum and had a wander about. Definitely an interesting place; https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...z7HMBHapgDmkQ_AUIDCgA&biw=1721&bih=1052&dpr=1

    I then headed northish into Colorado to Durango and on to Silverton and Montrose for the night, 674 kms for the day through more and more varied spectacular scenery. Passing through Durango and Silverton I was reminded of their railway and decided I needed to do a train trip. I booked a couple of nights in Durango, and a train ride for the day in between. I headed back to Durango the long way, clockwise via Hotchkiss, Gunnison and Del Norte. On the way to Gunnison, up high, the road went dirt again, and then mud for about 30 mls. There'd been rain and snow up there a few days before. Was I off road again? The car was filthy, with the mud caked on.

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    Here's some video I found too. Lots more here; https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...17HMBHV7TCPcQ_AUIDCgA&biw=1721&bih=1052&dpr=1

    The train trip was great. Slow and winding along a gorge/canyon, with a couple of hours in between to wander about Silverton. I wanted a cheap ticket, but they were all gone. Happy I didn't as they were all outside in the real fresh air and I'd have needed a jacket/jumper. We had a 'narrator' come host in our carriage who dressed in period costume and told all sorts of stories along the way, which definitely added value.

    The next day I headed northish, which took me along a bit of road we'd gone along on the last day's bike ride out of LaSal. On the way, I pulled up in Naturita for lunch and then spotted kids having a fund raising car wash outside the school. $10 and all the mud washed off was good value, and while the kids worked, I chatted to their teacher.

    I ended up in Craig after 672 kms. It was Saturday and I realised I was within cooee of Salt Lake City which became my target for Sunday. Salt Lake City is the home of Warp9 and I wondered if I could collect a couple of bits. I contacted Kevin, aka @warp9man, and asked what time he'd be open Monday morning. I didn't get a direct answer, but he offered to open up on Sunday afternoon if I didn't get there too late.

    So I mapped out what looked like an interesting way to get to Salt Lake City the next day, Sunday.

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    The pink line was the plan, the green line was where I went. The Montana routing tried to help and led me into a pine forest. The 'road' got narrower and rockier and the pines were scraping the sides of the car. Was I now off road I wondered, and should I trust the GPS? I'd spotted a sign to Vernal, heading a different way back to where I'd come from, so I found a spot to turn about and headed south, then west on the main drag to Salt Lake City. It had been a bit of an adventure.

    I contacted Kevin and we met up at his shop where he showed me around. He runs a nice operation and has lots of goodies for DRs as well as lots of other bikes, including a forthcoming DR double bearing cush hub. He's recently been playing with titanium spokes and carbon fibre rims for super motard use which he was keen to show off. He was able to supply me with a couple of new 320 DR discs and a starter end cap for my luggage at a nice price. Thanks Kevin :thumb

    Meeting up with Kevin Sunday meant I could get an early start Monday morning and I figured Flagstaff was my target. I found a car wash on the way back to my motel, I didn't feel the need to discuss the definition of off road when I returned a freshly dirtied car.

    I caught up with @sandwash, aka Sam, in Flagstaff on Monday evening for a beer and feed in Flagstaff after driving 812 kms from Salt Lake City, then had a lazy morning Tuesday, whence I headed for Phoenix Airport. I dropped off the renta cage at 14:30 and then checked my bags though to Sydney which was convenient.

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    My travels:
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    So a week of travelling in the cage through ever unfolding magnificent panoramas, over every crest and around every bend there is another stunning view, awesome :super

    Got to LAX about 19:15 and found the Virgin gate for my Sydney flight. I also noticed my aisle seat reservation had changed to a window seat on my Phoenix boarding pass. I queried this at LAX and got my preferred aisle seat, along with an upgrade to Economy X for more leg room and headphone for the AV system, nice! Takeoff was delayed for an hour, so lifted off at 00:45 Wed which was as much of Wednesday as I saw, the international date line again.

    I landed in Sydney at 08:00 after 14.5 hrs in the air on Thursday. I declared the last of my fruit and nut, a trail mix, and that I'd been out getting dirty. As mentioned above, I had managed to thoroughly clean all my gear, and they didn't bother checking it, just the trail mix, and I sailed through the bio security without issue. Then to the bus stop and I got my self a ticket after figuring out how to reenable my newish dual SIM phone to my Oz SIM for data.

    Hopped on the bus at 09:25 to Canberra where my wife collected me 3 hrs later. Then off to a long lunch with a couple of mates, @DougW and Phil who had just returned from their 2.5 weeks on the road to the DSMRA AGM and Tibooburra for the TK Ride, the ride I'd have been on if not for LaSal. Then another 1.5 hrs in the car and fast asleep by 20:00.



    The posts above reporting on my trip are brief and only an attempt to capture some of the flavour of a great trip.

    Once again, thanks to everyone, including those that I stole the pictures from without individual citations.

    Thanks especially @Lil' Steve and @cyberdos without whose encouragement and hospitality I probably would not have made this trip. It was great to meet up with a great number of my ADVR internet friends and if any of you ever get over this way, the hospitality will be returned. I have bikes, and access to more, and a seed for MotoGP 2020 has been planted with LilSteve and Julio. Maybe.... :beer

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  17. Hoges

    Hoges Been here awhile

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    Thanks for a great write up, really enjoyed the trip report and pics.
    They always say, it’s bigger and better in the US, well, I have to agree, there’s nothing like that over here, that scenery is breathtaking and to be able to ride through there and just soak it in, awesome.
  18. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Even in the cage, with climate control :D
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  19. Russ

    Russ Let's ride.

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    Brilliant Steve what a great report :clap
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  20. DIRT SQUIRTER

    DIRT SQUIRTER Bitumen is just a way of getting there!

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    Awesome! :getiton:clap
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