Best Street Tire for KTM 640 Adv R

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by markjenn, Oct 14, 2004.

  1. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    I'm going to be street riding my KTM all winter and would like to play around with single riding in the twisties. What's the concensus on the stickiest street rubber for this beast? Pirelli MT90 AT Scorpions? There don't appear to be a lot of choices with the 18" rear.

    - Mark
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  2. Mr D Hertz

    Mr D Hertz Old and Tired Adventurer

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    Scorpion ATs are as good as I've found if you want to retain some dirt capability. If you REALLY want to have some fun, put some 17" wheels on it and then you can get some seriously sticky rubber, and a lower CG to boot!
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  3. Loadedagain

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    see the sahara thread below :D

    my vote is on the saharas. apparently they are a little pricey (i've never noticed :dunno). they get my vote :deal
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  4. twsiv

    twsiv Been here awhile

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    I ride the Metzler Saraha on my daily commute in Dallas and I've no probs with them, great tire infact.
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  5. Buckster

    Buckster Banned

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    They only work for Loaded because he is 400lbs, for normal people they are a bit of a hard compound.
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  6. Loadedagain

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    oy! i'm only 225 :bluduh
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  7. Buckster

    Buckster Banned

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    I saw the picture, you are at least 400lbs, I was being kind, you could be 450lbs, I heard people have asked you where you got your saddle bags from until they realised they were the overhang of your arse cheeks! :flip
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  8. Loadedagain

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    :cry
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  9. GT-STMC

    GT-STMC Been here awhile

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    markjenn, what did you end up with ?

    I'm looking at getting a more street orientated tire soon as well, and wanted input since I'm still undecided. I commute daily with the bike, won't really go off road with it till about April of '05.
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  10. Renazco

    Renazco Formerly AKA Boejangles

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    The Pirelli's are way ahead of the Sahara's on the street imo. The Sahara's always feel like they have a flat tire, just a little luggy for me and sometimes feel unpredictable. The Pirelli's stick nice, are predictable, lean nicely and are O.K. on fire roads.
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  11. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    I'm going with the Scorpions - I even have a half worn set lying around I could throw on, but they're about four years old and I'd like to get fresh rubber if I'm going to be exploring truly aggressive street riding on this bike.

    Based on everything I'm hearing here, I'm converging on these tire choices:

    1. Pirelli MT21s for 90-10 dirt.
    2. Conti TKC80s's for 50-50 mix.
    3. Pirelli Scorpions for 90-10 street.

    - Mark
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  12. Buckster

    Buckster Banned

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    Any idea how they compare to Saharas in mud?
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  13. Jerome

    Jerome Been here awhile

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    I have a table of tyres for Adventure 640's

    <table width="550" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" align="top">
    <tr>
    <td height="25" colspan="2">&nbsp;</td>
    <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#99FFFF"><div align="center">Front </div>
    </td>
    <td colspan="8" bgcolor="#FFFF66"><div align="center">Rear</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td colspan="2">Size<font color="#FF6600"> (Standard)</font></td>
    <td width="7%">LI/S</td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center"><font color="#FF6600">90/90</font> </div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%" rowspan="2"><div align="center"></div>
    <div align="center">Miles</div>
    </td>
    <td>LI/S</td>
    <td>130/80</td>
    <td><div align="center">130/90</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">140/90</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF6600">140/80</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">140/80</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">130/80</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td colspan="2">Rim <font color="#FF6600">(Standard)</font></td>
    <td colspan="2"><div align="center"><font color="#FF6600">21</font></div>
    </td>
    <td colspan="5"><div align="center"><font color="#FF6600">18</font></div>
    </td>
    <td colspan="2"><div align="center">17</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td colspan="12" bgcolor="#CCCCCC">Road</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Metzeler </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Enduro 3</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="right"><font color="#FF0000">3,000</font></div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%"><font color="#FF0000">70R</font></td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td width="7%"><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td width="15%"><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Pirelli </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">MT90 AT Other</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="right"><font color="#FF0000">12,000</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Pirelli </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">MT90 AT Brazil</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="right"><font color="#FF0000">8,000</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td width="12%">Avon<br>
    </td>
    <td width="17%"><font color="#FF0000"><img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="1" height="1">F
    AM43</font> R AM44<br>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54T</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td>69H</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Bridgestone</td>
    <td>TW301/302</td>
    <td>54S</td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">?</div>
    </td>
    <td>66S</td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Continental <br>
    </td>
    <td>Enduro Pro</td>
    <td>54S</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Metzeler<br>
    </td>
    <td>Tourance</td>
    <td>54S</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">High</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Metzeler </td>
    <td>Enduro 4</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Michelin <br>
    </td>
    <td>T66X</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">High</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Michelin </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Sirac</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54T</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td colspan="12" bgcolor="#3399FF">Dual Sport</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Continental</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">TKC80</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">?</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">High</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70R</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Maxxis</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">M6006</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">?</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70S</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Maxxis</td>
    <td>M6006</td>
    <td>54S</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">?</div></td>
    <td>66S</td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td height="24">Pirelli<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="50" height="1"></td>
    <td>MT70<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="100" height="1"></td>
    <td>54R</td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">3,000</div></td>
    <td>66R</td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div></td>
    </tr>
    <tr bgcolor="#33CC00">
    <td colspan="12">Off Road</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">IRC<br>
    </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">BR99</font></td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">?</font></div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Metzeler</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Karoo</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54R</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">High</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70R</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Michelin</font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Deserts</font></td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">-</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">5,000</font></div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td height="24"><font color="#FF0000">Michelin </font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">Baja</font></td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">?</font></div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td height="24"><font color="#FF0000">Pirelli<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="50" height="1"></font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">MT21<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="100" height="1"></font></td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">54R</font></td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">3,000</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><font color="#FF0000">70R</font></td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td height="24">Michelin </td>
    <td>T63</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center"><font color="#FF0000">x</font></div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">High</div>
    </td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">-</div>
    </td>
    <td><div align="center">x</div>
    </td>
    </tr>
    </table>
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  14. Renazco

    Renazco Formerly AKA Boejangles

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    Funny :rofl or were you serious?? :huh
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  15. Buckster

    Buckster Banned

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    I rate the Saharas about 10% street, 10% dirt, 80% the Moon,(or at least dry sand), the only viable option for me at the moment is to have two sets of tyres, a street biased pair that can cope with a little dirt and a set for O/R that are still road legal.
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  16. overlandr

    overlandr Dystopist

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  17. The Mass

    The Mass Timbuktu or Bust... Both!

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  18. overlandr

    overlandr Dystopist

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    I was thinking along the lines of two sets of wheels both 18/21 one for 90/10 dirt and the other as close to 100% street as possible - if it exists. I guess the other choice is a 19/17 Woody type setup for street use which opens tyres choices up hugely but this is not my preference as the steering geometry and overall proportions are affected.
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  19. clintnz

    clintnz Trans-Global Chook Chaser

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    Bridgestone BT45's come in 18 & 21" sizes. They aren't the stickiest road rubber in the world but they're not too bad & they're fairly cheap. I've got a set that I put on for track days & the odd spot of club road racing.

    Cheers
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  20. bikemoto

    bikemoto Tyre critic

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    No-one with an 18" rear...
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