Best touring scooter

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by gec343, May 16, 2011.

  1. DandyDoug

    DandyDoug Long timer

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    All these comments are very encouraging, thanks !!

    I am currently dealing with a few drive line problems on my 1985 BMW R80,once it is sorted I will make a decision whether to sell it and buy a Burgman or maybe wait a bit for the new BMW C650GT.

    Doug
  2. Tacoma

    Tacoma Been here awhile

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    I own the Tmax I ride with a friend that rides the 650 Burgman, YES! the Burgman is faster, but the Tmax has better acceleration from a dead stop, only because his Burgman has a long throttle delay, on the highway I can cruise with him at 80 mph, but when we get crazy he has a higher top speed and I can't catch him past 100 mph, but on the twisty back roads he can't catch or keep up with me, he also seems to have a problem going down steep mountain roads at a fast pace, don't know if its him or his scooter. We do switch scooters sometimes, to me the Burgman makes it hard to see the road and it feels heavy, it has a more comfortable ride like a lounge chair, to him he says my Tmax feels like riding a dirt bike and he says he has a feeling of falling off when riding it, but we generally respect each others scooter. I know his Burgman eats up tires where he is always replacing them and my factory tires on my Tmax are like new, I think its because its a much smaller diameter tire and he doesn't keep the air pressure up, I go 4 psi over with 45 psi rear and 37 front. The Burgman gas mileage is better and he has 3 times more storage space under his seat, but I run my Tmax hard and that effects gas mileage (smaller engine working harder kills gas mileage)
    I understand nobody could buy a Tmax even if they wanted one and there are lots of Burgmans at dealers,,, its fun owning one when there all so few out there.
  3. vortexau

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    Here's hoping that competition may improve the breed. My meaning is that Yamaha and Suzuki respond by producing future Tmax and Burgman models that redress current shortcomings.
    Since I'm a Burgman Exec owner, I'll stick to that-

    Priority upgrades by order of importance:

    First off its a tie for Lower Weight and Better Handling. On the latter its competition from both Yamaha & BMW that the Burgy trails NOW!

    Second. There's a very good case for having a true Neutral in the transmission. (Extra marks for Reverse Too!)

    Third. Improvements to Screen and Dash. The dash gets very wet during riding when its raining. Can be difficult to read through the water, and when the sun is behind rider's head.

    Fourth. Better foot pads for the pillion passenger.

    Fifth. The Centrestand can do with an upgrade. Adjustable for height? Cam-action on the feet like seventies BMWs & Moto Guzzis?

    (More of an also 'would be good' but Push-out Body Panel section, to the Left & Right, for sidecar attachment. Come-on Suzuki, become a leader!)
  4. Brooktown Geezer

    Brooktown Geezer scooter guy

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    I actually like the weight of the Burgman. It's the weight plus the power that give it the kind of stability that makes it a good touring bike. Too light, and wind makes the ride less stable and less comfortable.
  5. DudeClone

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    Genuine Buddy 50cc

    its 2T touring goodness :D
  6. vortexau

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    Opinions differ, I'd find too much weight a serious handicap for traveling by air . . .

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    or when you're trying to extract the machine from deep mud.

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  7. Tacoma

    Tacoma Been here awhile

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    I'm sick and tired of walking on pins and needles so I won't offend anybody but the Yamaha Tmax is the best maxi-scooter out there! I rode the Burgman and it doesn't even come close.
    The Tmax gets a bad rap cause so few were made and sold and there's less people that own the Tmax that can defend it.
  8. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    Every machine comes up short somewhere. And the whole scooter format, by definition, is a compromise...unsprung engine weight and fewer cylinders, for underbone construction and upright seating with cargo space.

    Every machine has a compromise. The BMW boxers...vibrate. And they cost.

    I never sat on a Tmax. They came out after I went through my Burgman phase and disappeared before I noticed. I suspect price played a part - it's interesting that Chinese bikes can't dent the market but their el-cheapo scooters are on their way to OWNING it. But, quality at a price, may have made too high a price.

    The Tmax may have the best riding characteristics. It may be that the scooter market doesn't CARE about riding characteristics, road handling, etc. Long ago, someone explained the difference to me: A cyclist rides for the riding; whereas a scooter owner just wants to get someplace.

    That's an oversimplification; and that was before the touring scooters. There's now some overlap; but the differences remain.

    For the Tmax to bridge it, and with their brand already confused with their emphasis on V-max cruisers...may just have been a bridge too far.
  9. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded

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    Feel free to post the facts that have you arriving at you conclusion.
  10. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded

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    Posting your opinions and backing them up shouldn't offend anyone. You have offered an opinion here, are you going to back it up?
  11. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life! Supporter

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    There is no "best maxi scooter" just like there is no best bike.

    People have different needs and wants that result in different vehicles meeting them.

    Also, physical size, inseam size, riding experience and talent may make one scoot perfect for person A and totally unacceptable for person B.
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    JerseyBiker Living the life! Supporter

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    ^ lol
  14. vortexau

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    Missed a bit there . . .
    "the Yamaha Tmax is the best maxi-scooter for the demands of sports riding."

    But, with lower seat, better protection from the elements, and more storage volume- the Burgman 650 shines when its touring rather than a sporty ride.

    BMW recognized the difference and made TWO slightly-different models (C 600 Sport & C 650 GT) so as to be able to compete with BOTH the Yamaha and the Suzuki.
  15. creighta

    creighta Been here awhile

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    have been following and have to weigh in...

    We currently have two 250 helix clones, a silverwing 600, and a majesty 400. The majesty has only been with us a week but is my pick so far, it is light, has a bottomless storage and corners better than my nephew's 600R.

    The silverwing is a blast to ride and you have to be careful because it is easy to be cruising along and realize you are running 100mph when you meant to be at 60. It also has a more comfortable back seat if you ride two-up. the trade off or the bigger bike is that you only get 55 to 60 mpg (more often 55 then 60). It is also tough to put on the center stand because it is heavy; even though I am 200lbs and in decent shape I have to roll it backwards to put it on the stand.

    The 250s get 70mpg and can handle long rides, but the wind pushes them all over, and they feel like a toy after riding the 400 or 600. You also don't have anything left when you are cruising down the interstate at 75mph and hit a head wind or a hill.

    Before buying the silverwing I rode a 650 executive and hated it. It was the most amazing bike I have ever looked at and had some real power, but seemed very top heavy and was too bulky for short grocery runs. I also talked to another burgman owner hat complained he had trouble keeping it upright in slow parking lots and sold his after a year (one of the reasons we went with the silverwing in the first place).

    Again; my overall pick is the majesty, but ride them all before buying any of them.
  16. elite1

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  17. knucklehead90

    knucklehead90 Been here awhile

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    I've had the 400 Majesty all of a month now but have only been able to put a few hundred miles on it. Still waiting for warmer weather around here. In that couple hundred miles I've decided it isn't for me. I bought it for $1600 since the PO had laid it over a 'few' times to quote her. Looks like it was entered in a 'slide your ride' contest. And won. No problem since I bought used plastic to replace the ugliest parts and I should be able to get my money out of it - and then some.

    At any rate a local dealer has an 08 650 Burgman Executive on consignment that the owner has agreed to part with for $5000 OTD after a few weeks of negotiations. Too good a deal to pass up on - it is in perfect shape and under 4,000 on the odometer and still has the extended warranty since the owner is the original buyer and warranty will transfer one time I've been told. I'll be picking it up tomorrow - or showing up with the SUV and trailer to cart it home since its been wet and cold here lately and it'd be a 30 mile ride.

    My impressions on the Burgman in a 20 minute trial ride: I don't find it top heavy at all but then I've been riding Harley Ultras for the past 15 years - and a soft-tail (Fat Boy) before that - and an 82 FXR before that with only a windshield for protection. The Ultra is very top-heavy. The Burgman handles reasonably well and has pretty good low speed manners - is faster than the 2001 Ultra - which was faster than the 1995 Ultra. The Fat Boy was very quick but I had some money into that motor (headwork). Wind protection for the lower body is better on the Burgman - upper body the Harley batwing fairing is very good - arguably better protection than the Burgman with its standard windshield in the up position. I may look into a larger screen for it. The Ultra had an 11" windshield on it. Even with the bigger windshield the Burgman has less protection because its further forward than on the Harley. On the Harley the wind passed over my head by about 2" - nearly perfect. The heavy bugs do come over that screen. Ouch!

    I'll probably equip the burgman with a tour trunk - I don't need side bags since I don't plan on traveling more than 4-5 days at a time and I'll be one-up. The Majesty has better fuel mileage but thats the best point I can come up with in it's defense. I'm cramped up on it even with a short 31" inseam. The seat is at the back position. It is a small scooter compared to the Burgman. Power is OK but we have many hills around here and I like to have reserve power for windy days - something we have in spades around here. I'll probably be able to get around $2500 out of the Majesty and since I've only put tabs on it and a new battery and some used plastic I don't have much into it.That'll offset the cost of the Burgman somewhat.

    So...I'm going to pass on the 'worlds best scooter by far' and get the 650 Exec. I'm not interested in getting through the twisties in the fastest manner possible or I'd have bought something other than a scooter. I'm not interested in a scooter that requires full throttle to buck the 40+mph winds (in combination with the hills) we have around here much of the spring and fall months. Some things in life are more important when you get to the mid 60's than going fast. Its about comfort at this stage of life - at least for me. Comfort in being able to maintain speed - keeping the ass from going numb - staying out of the rain as best I can - and carrying stuff in dry compartments. The big Burger fits my needs. The Majesty is my first scooter. I've owned 80cc - 90cc - 100cc and 350cc bikes all with clutches and 4 and 5 speeds. 650's and 920's - a screaming fast 500cc Kawasaki H1 that would pull the front wheel at any legal speed - four Harleys that I loved owning - the time for all that is behind me now. On to the future! And a(nother) scooter.

    I'm shiftless...
  18. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    You ARE aware of the manual mode, right? :lol3
    Nice write-up.

    What's wrong with the Majesty?
  19. knucklehead90

    knucklehead90 Been here awhile

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    I'm aware of the manual mode. I probably will use it in automatic mode most of the time. I've been shifting for 47 years - time to let modern equipment do it for me. As I mentioned in my somewhat long post above (you are excused if you didn't read it all :D) I live in an area with many hills and a seemingly perpetual wind. Lousy combination for something that is not quite powerful enough for the 1-2 punch of both. If it were only one OR the other I'd probably be fine with the power of the Majesty. And the Majesty just doesn't have enough leg room - I can't straighten out my legs and that causes me knee pain. Bad after only an hour or so in the saddle. I used to ride my Harley for hours at a time but even that has bothered my knees these past few years.

    I just got back from picking up the Burgman - I trailered it home on my tilting golf cart trailer since the weather is crap today - windy of course and only about 48-50 degrees. Easy on - easy off the trailer. Kind of like wax on - wax off eh? Anyway I'm not surprised with how easily it starts up and settles into a stable idle.It has a new bike feel about it but then it only has just over 4000 miles on it. Barely broke in. Everything works as it is supposed to. The service records came with it. It's had all of its regular service at the right intervals - and I have the remainder of the extended warranty until August. Enough time to find out if there is anything that needs warranty work.

    The real surprise is the metal flake in the paint. I thought it was just high gloss black - I didn't know about the blue flakes in the paint. Its pretty cool how the mirrors fold up and in when you hit that blue button on the handle bars. If I get it to California where it is legal to split the lanes it'll come in handy. Actually the mirrors when extended are very nearly at the same width as the grips and brake levers so I don't know why Suzuki put them on there. But there they are and its fine with me.

    Now I just need some warm weather.
  20. miboso

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    Congrats on the new scoot. I got my '08 650 about a year ago, with about 37000 miles on it, but it was loaded for touring: side cases, top case, McCruise, legshields, etc. I then spent the summer putting about 14000 more miles on it:clap

    I'm planning another long trip this summer. Let me know your location, and I might be able to stop and say howdy.