I researched a lot before shelling out over 2 grand for this outfit. The pants leaked in the crotch which made a ride rather unpleasant. OK I thought, BMW should stand by their product. They have a great reputation for this. However the shop I got them off - Procycles in Sydney - tried fobbing me off with "oh they aren't meant to be water proof, only water resistant.. riiiight. I ranted and raved and they finally caved and gave me a replacement pair. Guess what - in the first shower they leaked at the left knee. Hmm. I took them back to be submitted into BMW for warranty. The accessory guy from Procycles rang today to give me the "only water resistant" line and basically to go screw myself. After I pointed out various claims on their website and several BMW advertising pages that our Department of Fair Trading would be interested in, he backpedalled. I haven't received a refund yet but am going all out for one. Anyone thinking of one of these outfits beware. They are NOT waterproof even though they are claimed to be.