Well this thread had caught my curiosity so I was happy to see Bob’s BMW has a 15% off sale. I went to my local dealer who always price matches and I tried on a 54 which is what I wear in a Rally 3 and then the 52. The 52 fit a bit better even with a jacket I usually wear under my Klim Apex when it’s cold. The salesman said he thought they might be on sale so even if it was only 10%, I knew they’d match Bob’s BMW price. Nope, he came back saying all their Enduroguard apparel was 50% off. The jacket was $474.00. All they had was black, but my Apex is black and I can live with that. Sadly they were out of my size for gloves. If any of you are on the fence and live in the Phoenix area, 1/2 off may sway you.