Buena Vista, Salida, Bonanza, Sargents info '19

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  1. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider Supporter

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    Most water crossings were running high due to the late snows and massive run-off in recent months. But conditions change, and there's no source for daily or weekly news.

    Yon (Tomichi Trading Post) said lower Agate was gas tank deep when they eventually cleared it last month. I suspect it's still running high. The Arkansas River is running high for longer than normal, so expect most water crossings to be above normal.

    The Crest Trail is still snowblocked at the cornice; post #75.


    EDIT on 7/18/19:

    Today, while I was scouting for a ride next week:

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    PS This is not the RBT nor the Crest Trail. And not Agate, either.

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  2. trailrider77

    trailrider77 Been here awhile

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    I am headed to Sargents in late August. I have never been there before. Are plated bikes required? Does anyone have recommended loop systems (trail order) to ride (out and back from the trading post)? Was also wondering if there is a technical rating system on the trails (Green to Black diamond etc. ). Thx
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  3. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider Supporter

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    Info about riding in CO:

    https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/gmug/recreation/ohv

    Click on the links: Motorized Travel Rules for OHV Use on the GMUG National Forest and Colorado State OHV information for details.

    Plates required when riding on US and state highways, and county roads. Not required when riding on USFS and BLM roads unless posted. Not required when riding on trails.

    Out of state vehicles must have an OHV sticker to ride off-highway (dirt roads and trails). Get the sticker - and support trail construction and maintenance. $25.25 (25 dollars and 25 cents)

    Call the Tomichi Creek Trading Post for OHV sticker availability and trail maps: 970-641-0674.


    PS The trails are intermediate or harder (and harder when it rains). Monsoon season is upon us, so it rains almost every afternoon. Yesterday included hail. But only for 10 minutes.

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  4. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider Supporter

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    From dhdrider:
    "Just got back from Sargents last night (Sunday night 7/21/19). Here is a pic of the cornice on Crest Trail. Hikers and mountain bikers continue to go around it and looks like no dirt bikers have gone around yet - thankfully. Yon at Tomichi Creek said they might dig through in the next couple of weeks."

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    About that dirty streak, dhdrider said:
    "Didn't look like anyone was riding over the top. My best guess is maybe some mountain bikers or something. There were no tracks. Just muddy. Maybe some hikers? But no dirt bikers."


    If you wanna get to the cornice on the Crest Tr, starting at Monarch Pass, you gotta ride over the last snow bank:

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    It's 3+ feet high. Bring your own shovel.
    Only 1/3 has been cleared.
    Work party Tue 7/23 morning.

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  5. craigr652

    craigr652 Been here awhile

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    Stupid question, what is the best source for a paper map or book of the trails and roads around Salida? I used to be a fan of the Funtrek style books, but they don't seem to cover alot of the trails in the area.
    Thanks.
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  6. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider Supporter

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    Directions to Shirley Site area
    * From Salida, drive west on Highway 50 to Poncha Springs (about 5 miles).
    * Turn left (south) onto Highway 285 and drive to Mears Junction (about 5 miles).
    * Turn right (west) onto FR 200 and drive to the parking lot (about 2 miles). The parking lot is on Silver Cr Rd, just past the Marshall Pass Rd intersection, around the curve to the left.

    If you continue on Silver Cr Rd, look for camping on the left side.
    If you turn west onto Poncha Cr Rd, look for camping on the right, and after crossing the bridge, go left, and camping will be on the left side of the road.

    Camping is primitive - pack it in, pack it out, no potable water, no toilets (except at the Shirley Site parking lot).

    There is also camping at nearby O'Haver Lake; see the signs to get there.
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    Directions to Poncha Loop BLM area, just over the hill from Shirley Site
    * From Salida, drive west on Highway 50 to Poncha Springs (about 5 miles).
    * Drive south from Poncha Springs on US285 for 8 miles, crossing over Poncha Pass and into the San Luis Valley.
    * Turn right onto Forest Road 5325 (Poncha Loop Rd). Dispersed camping is along roads and among the trees, but you may have to drive quite a bit to find anything available.

    Camping is primitive - pack it in, pack it out, no potable water, no toilets.
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    Lastly, StayTheTrail has a web site showing riding all around Colorado:
    http://www.staythetrail.com/
    They show what permits and stickers are required for in and out-of state vehicles. This web site has it all.
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    You can get US Forest Service MVUMs (free) and/or visitor maps (about $10 each).
    MVUM = Motor Vehicle Use Map - shows which roads and trails are open to motorized use in the US National Forests (motorcycle, ATV, UTV, Side-by-side).


    Pike/San Isabel NF
    Salida Ranger District 719-539-3591

    Rio Grande NF
    Saguache Ranger District 719-655-2553

    GMUG NF (Grand Mesa, Uncompaghre, Gunnison forests)
    Gunnison Ranger District 970-641-0471


    Each of these forests has a web site and MVUMs are available electronically. You can also call each Ranger District office and ask for the paper MVUM and they will mail it to you for free. Ask for 5 each; they're flimsy.

    See also the Latitude 40 map - Salida - Buena Vista Trails below.
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    Maps for nearby areas: Gunnison, Crested Butte, and Taylor Park.

    Latitude 40 maps, Trails Illustrated maps, Gunnison Basin USFS map, and Gunnison MVUM are all good references. The detail of TI maps is great, but you have to carry several to cover the vast area between Crested Butte, Gunnison, and Taylor Park. For this reason, I recommend the Latitude 40 maps.

    There are two Latitude 40 maps for this area:

    * the older blue cover (1:125,000)
    Crested Butte - Aspen - Gunnison Trails

    * the newer purple cover (1:50,000)
    Crested Butte and Taylor Park

    The detail on the newer purple cover map is very good, and you only need to carry one map (although it is large).

    There is also a new Latitude 40 map for the Salida and Buena Vista area, first published in 2012 - Salida - Buena Vista Trails, 4th edition now available.

    For Latitude 40 maps, check camping supply stores and here:
    http://latitude40maps.com/


    TI maps 129, 130, 131, 132, and 139 cover most of the area. These maps are at 1:40,680 so they have more detail than the Lat40 maps.
    For Trails Illustrated maps, check camping supply stores and here:
    https://www.natgeomaps.com/trail-maps


    Amazon.com carries both map vendors and cheaper, too. But you have to search, whereas the other two sites are keyed into their own maps.

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  7. Hollywood D

    Hollywood D Been here awhile

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    This is a bit out of the way from where you guys are talking, but does anyone know how boreas pass is looking? I believe some of it was severely damaged or closed from the forest fire last year.
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  8. RustySpokes

    RustySpokes Ordinary average guy Supporter

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    We rode Boreas yesterday, it’s fine, actually dry and dusty with all the tourist traffic. Still pretty though!
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  9. Hollywood D

    Hollywood D Been here awhile

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    Nice, thank you. Getting my Shinkos put on tomorrow so I can finally get some dirt riding done. Stock highway tires aren’t cutting it.
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    Not paper, but your best bet is to use Cotrex or Avenza maps on your smart phone. You can find all of the georeferenced MVUMs at staythetrail.org
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    Boring-ass didn’t burn did it? Below Weston was on fire last year. It’s open too.
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  12. zoltan

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    [QUOTE="

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    Busy place last Saturday, shocker. Trading Post was full, but hardly saw others on trail.



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  13. Hollywood D

    Hollywood D Been here awhile

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    Not sure if the trail actually did but I heard the loss of vegetation caused some mud slides and a lot of other rain damage to the trail.
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  14. Merfman

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    For the record, Yon and crew are killing it at the Tomichi Trading post... I too was there on Saturday and was delighted to see all the campers!

    Try the smoked salmon, it's outstanding!
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    NCTR had their annual Sargents ride last weekend with close to 30 riders.
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    Knew that, looked for you but you were AWOL... ;)
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  17. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider Supporter

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    Update on the last snow bank before the cornice:

    East end
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    West end
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    Just passing through (No, we don't have time to lend a hand, and scoop a shovel or two.)
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    To be fair, they did thank us profusely.


    And an update on the cornice. Pictures from this morning, Tuesday July 23.

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  18. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 49 years Supporter

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    Wow, nice treasure trove of info! Hope to make it there by July 31.

    I'm surprised no one shot up the face of the cornice to the try to cross it. Doesn't look too bad to this trials rider on his new Beta 390 RR-S. But if that's dense beady-type snow, shooting up and landing on top might be fun, but landing, sinking in, and getting stuck... well that'd be no fun!
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  19. Merfman

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    Nobody's tried it 'cause all the locals have tried that before....
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  20. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 49 years Supporter

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    Hahaha! I remember once in `75 trying to best a small compacted, beady snowbank in a tight switchback in spring in a new Toyota Land Cruiser. Four wheel drive, ya know! That ended up costing a day with a long walk out then hours of waiting for a dozer to go all the way up to literally pull the Cruiser off its lean on a precipice of death! It almost went over.

    It's the stupid shit you remember!