Bump on the Blue Ridge Parkway

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by phillyrube, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. William Wolfen

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    I understand the general concern here, but I fail to see how motorcycles could be banned. They're street legal vehicles and the BRP is a public road. Anyone got an example of a public road that is specifically closed to motorcycles, but open to everyone else?
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    Some points to ponder:

    1.) Motorcycles are a very small percentage of the total vehicles on the road. As in around 1.5% to 2%. That being the case, we don't carry much weight in either numbers nor in political strength. From another perspective, potentially we have 97.5% of other road users against us, should it come to that.
    2.) Operating a motor vehicle on public roads in the USA is a "Privilege", and not a constitutional right in most US States. This privilege can be removed/revoked at any time.
    3.) The US National Park System - of which the BRP is part of - is a Federal, not a State run organization, so it goes under some slightly different rules and regulations.

    Note as well that smaller CC motorcycles are also "Street Legal" but banned from highway use.

    FWIW, many foreign countries have already banned motorcycles from certain roads for various reasons. I too doubt that the BRP would ban motorcycles, but it is NOT impossible. Seeing as the world has gone to "Profit" as being the #1 driver of everything, banning motorcyclists would hit the BRP and surrounding areas in a noticeable way, but one $1 million lawsuit negates a whole lot of that profit.

    Another payback might be LEO's on the Parkway focusing on and targeting motorcycles for nuisance violations, until riders stop visiting. It can happen.
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  3. Oilhed

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    I had a drunk guy with a station wagon try to kill me once. The cops got him when he drove into an RV in a campground. Spring or Fall/Tues-Thurs.
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  4. William Wolfen

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    So what you're saying is that there's zero legal precedence for a public road being arbitrarily closed to motorcycles, but not other traffic, in the USA.
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  5. davenowherejones

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    Quebec City banned motorcycles once. They said the noise was breaking the ancient buildings.

    Are they still banned?
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    You obviously want an argument, not a discussion.... Pass! :lol3
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  7. SRTie4k

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    Moose River Plains in NY. Road vehicles are allowed but motorcycles are banned.
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  8. William Wolfen

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    That's Canada, not the USA. Strange and idiotic for sure, but not entirely relevant.
    Interesting... the DEC website concerning the area makes no mention of motorcycles in any way, shape, or form. There's a thread on this forum, but I can't find anything from an official source.
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    gosh, I should sue for the time I crashed on an entrance ramp to the BRP, more asphalt than aggregate, or in easier terminology, one big wide tar snake that was the complete width of the road....... but no injury, and very little damage, knocked headlight out of aim, road rash on my headlamp trim ring and on my turn signal, and a raspberry size hole in my Aerostich and grass stains..... 60mph lowside, 100 feet or so across wet grass and 115-20 feet on pavement

    When I read stories of crashes like this, all I can think is that the rider panicked and grabbed a handful of brake
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  12. flei

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    The rider was on a Harley; therefore it is highly unlikely he used the front brake at all. :hide
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    I've ridden through there a few times over the years. A couple times passing State Troopers and DEC, fully expecting them to stop me and get a ticket. Got a friendly wave every time. I always ride through respectfully and I bet if I was tearing it up I would have been stopped.
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  14. Tall Man

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    Yes. September 2017. A northern portion of the Blue Ridge Parkway, not far from Mabry Mill, was closed to motorcycles due to [the alleged conditions caused by] road construction. The signage was unambiguous. And located in the USA. Granted, this closure was probably not permanent, but it was indeed specific.

    Here's the Mill; the road closure (to motorcycles) was <1 mile away headed north.
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    And here I am leaving from whence I came; the motorcycle proscription forced me to take a significant detour that day.
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  15. Oilhed

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    Well I can certainly understand temporary closures to Motorcycles, Trucks, Bicycles, etc.
    But I doubt a National Park would ban Motorcycles on the public road.
    Especially one that gets so much use & promotion by motorcyclists.
    But it could happen, I know anything can happen.
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  16. Biddles

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    I hate people who can't accept their own mistakes. Bump in the road or not there was a sign, and I can guarantee he was speeding and panic front brakes. User error.
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  17. kwthom

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    Yup, with a qualifier:

    Publically-accessible road

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17-Mile_Drive
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    “The drive serves as the main road through the gated community of Pebble Beach. Inside this community, nonresidents have to pay a toll to use the road.[2] Like the community, the majority of 17-Mile Drive is owned and operated by the Pebble Beach Corporation. ”
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  19. oic

    oic Business is ALWAYS personal

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    You bring up an interesting point. In a situation like this one, where a rider's ability and skill level could be called into question, has that ever come up in a lawsuit? More often than not, lack of skill is the reason people crash. How would they determine that?
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    Right. In that case a defending lawyer would strive to determine what is the ability of the average rider, and how would that compare to the abilities of the rider involved? How would the average rider handle that exact same riding condition on the exact same bike. Near impossible to prove, so default to its "not his fault." At the same time though, riding any motorcycle in any road condition requires much higher abilities than the average car driver. But that is not the rationale applied.

    It seems a person's responsibility for their abilities or lack thereof is rarely considered, even on activities that require better than average capabilities. Liability logic in the USA defers to dumb down to the point no one can be held personally responsible for the lack of their own abilities. The rider may claim, "yes I never had any more training than that which is required to obtain my license, but how would that make me worse than any other motorcycle license holder?" But that seems to not affect his responsibility affecting the outcome of his riding. How capable is the rider? Was his bike properly maintained? Was it modified in ANY way that may affect its ability to handle a bump 99% of traffic on that road can handle (regardless of four wheels or two).

    The BMW R1200RT I have been riding for the past three years and 13,000 miles, I bought as a cosmetic crash from the local dealer I used to work at. I could ride it fine in the condition it was after the crash, so I bought it, cheap, and repaired it. It featured lowered Wilbers suspension the PO had the shop install from new. The PO claimed the lowered suspension caused him to crash on a straight section of local highway, where on he crashed when he wandered off onto the shoulder. Even in its crashed condition, I could ride the bike no handed with no issue, the ABS worked great, cruise control, everything worked great. I have ridden it to dragging parts to the edges of the tires with no issues. So the PO claims that the suspension mods caused the crash is total BS. He screwed up and couldn't own it.