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Discussion in 'Hack Vendors' started by claude, Apr 6, 2012.
Wow, I thought I stumbled into a Harley bashing thread for a minute........:eek1
Well I did my part not to pour gas on a fire but.....
Oh what the hell.
That was outside or Eureka, Ca or only about 2500 miles from home.
Fortunately a guardian angel arrived and invited us to have it towed to his house. (it was a Sunday).
This is what the SC tire looked like, thankfully it didn't come off.
This is how I fixed it after getting another 1" trailer bearing. :eek1
The shaft was scored so some cut copper pipe was pressed into service as an emergency bushing. This photo shows first attempt, hence the busted bearing bits, I had to wreck the first try to find success.
Finally my guardian angel, Mr. Jeff Smith of Eureka, Ca.
Guy rolls up, hops off and the first thing I said to him was "Bark Busters on a Norge?, Wow!"
Moral of the story is don't call someone out on the internet unless you are unassailable. It might come back to bite you.
I have never and will never steel a design. We have been making wheels from scratch since 1998. We had our wheel conversion being CNC machined for us long before I ever saw one of strokers wheels and long before I even heard of Stroker. Our wheels are completly different and I feel better as we use an adapter that allows for a standard off the shelf wheel to be used. So if a person damages the wheel all they need do is buy an inexpensive wheel rather then the entire unit. Also as we do it this way it is no problem to have a tire mounted on the wheel as automotive tire shops have no issue mounting a tire on an automotive wheel. They do on a custom motorcycle wheel. Motorcycle shops also do not like mounting car tires on automotive wheels so with Strokers wheels you may have problems finding a shop to install the tire.
Yes we did have some issues when we were retrofitting Ural sidecars, We stood behind these for 5 years fixing problems for no charge when we heard about them. The Ural frame required the tilt acutuator to be installed up side down in order to work. The manifacture of the acutuator insisted that there was / is no issue doing it this way. We now use a completly different brand of acutuator and as we designed our frame from scratch rather then retro fitting a existing frame we now have them turned the other way around. We found in general Ural sidecars were not up to the standards of quality that we wanted to offer and now do offer which is why we build our own sidecars from scratch now rather then modifiying Ural sidecars.
Our fiberglass sidecar bodies are much higher quality then the "Ural" steel bodies. To custom build a sidecar one off using bits and peices that the customer supplies does cost more then making production items in production jigs.
Olyrider, you wasted a lot of our time wanting us to build you a sidecar using used parts that you provided. You were trying to save some money by asking us to build you a custom sidecar for less money then a production sidecar and yet wanted us to hold to are high standards of quality. You tried pretty much every angle you could think of to find a way for us to build you a sidecar for less money.
Our prices are where they are as this is what is needed to cover our overhead. Sure we could lower prices if we wanted to cut corners. We could stop carrying manifactures liability insurance (adds about 10%) as well as garage keepers insuraces to cover bikes while we are working on them. We could also pay our employee's less and not give them medical, dental and vission insurance. This is not who we are or want to be. We have made thousands of sidecars and belive that we are making the highest quality sidecars made in the USA.
That's a joke. Not, as in funny, just a joke.
I have a brand new Ural tub. It's never been anywhere near a motorcycle. And you know it. The "used part" must have been my 1150GS Adventure. I was using your frame, your fender, your sub-mounts, and trail reducer. I have the price quote where you thought it appropriate to charge me $2,000 for supplying my own new tub...since, in your words, you were entitled to the profit as if I had bought a tub from you. Nice markup, by the way.
I don't need to debate with you how well your "warranty" works. There are examples posted all over the Hacks forum where you have let numerous people down, and it has cost them time, money, and personal danger. Your inability to listen to anyone besides the little voice in your head is legendary, and has caused much aggravation to many. If I bothered to take the time, I could easily compile a long list of unhappy customers that have posted here. Maybe(?)...you could have some happy customers post in reply. But Claude doesn't have "any" unhappy customers. Why do you think that is, Jay?
I suggest for the sake of a lot of people's sanity that we let this thread die.
I'm not going to say I was screwed by Dauntless but I was disappointed by the failure. Having said this they were helpful over the phone and did send me proper replacement parts including a new swingarm.
Really I see no good coming from continuing this.
Jay here's a tip. Delete all your posts in this thread. As well intentioned as it may have been when you started or perhaps you were just having a bad day, this can not end well for you on your current course. At the least change your tune a bit. The harder you dig your heels, the deeper the ruts, especially when you start to argue with customers who spent substantial bucks with you. Dump yours and this one goes right after.
Your first foray into this topic sounded like a whine as has every follow up. I offer this as a guy who is going to enjoy the rig I built from your kit this weekend, have met you and think you're ok, but right now you're getting a little close to the sun.
vindictive are we?
In this case...yes.
Jay insulted an honest and ethical businessman (and "gentleman") in the worst possible way in a public forum. Claude is too good a person to stoop to Jay's level by responding as he no doubt could.
Then Jay decided to misrepresent "our" dealings in a less harsh fashion. I truly believe there is a night & day difference in the way Jay and Claude operate their respective businesses. I have had enough discussions with them both, and followed their contributions to the Hacks Forum to have an informed opinion. One is respectful towards the customers and the industry, and the other is...Jay's.
I left his diatribe against Claude up so that he can have it removed by publicly apologizing. Its not as simple as just "deleting it" after it's been posted and read by so many.
If you all will go back to my original post that started this thread and take a look. I said if we received orders for an 1150 GS trail reducer we would begin to make them. We now do have a few orders in for OUR trail reducer for the1150 GS. We expect these to go into production soon.
*And* I'm getting my steering dampner issue resolved.
This bullshit is about what I'd expect from Jay. Yes "seething and laughing" is a good sumation of what I am feeling. I am not in the sidecar business, and originally built the wheels for my own rig out of neccesity. A few others wanted what I had built for my own rig for there use, so I made a few more. And even though Jay "never heard of Stroker" that did not stop him from taking $6000 plus dollars from me for one of his early Ural based "experiments", with all the features you would expect, crooked wheel, shitty welded axle, broken tilt pivot, up-side-down actuator, feeble sub-frame, etc. By the way I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I adapted a set of 15'' magmesuin drag racing wheels to my 102 cu. in. Harley Flathead/Goulding Rocket sidecar in 1978. I find it very curious to me is the FACT that very soon after I sent one of my wheels to Daunted Motors(against my beter judgement) for one of Jay's better customers, I got a brochure in the mail showing all of Jay's "new" products. He even had the nerve to ask about how I like the items advertised. I really wanted to puke.After seeing one of these "new" wheels I didn't feel so sick, as in my mind there was no comparison. And for the record, my wheels are also made using bolted adapters and an unmodified production rim, so swapping out a damaged rim is not big deal. Changing a tire on any of these wheels is so easy that you don't have to go to any shop for help.
Claude is a great guy, who I am blessed to have as a friend. We bounce ideas off each other, hang out at bike meets, and yes, he does sell my wheels. He has some at his shop for BMW Oilheads and Harleys(Oh God, lets not start bashing the poor "Highway Tractors" and their riders).
I did not intent to join in on this thread, but felt compelled to comment. Jay if you want to square off with me be ready. You did not invent the sidecar, the wheel, or many of the features used on these machines...get over it. I still have all the emails I sent you after buying you "fine product", and will share them with the ADVRIDER Inmates if you like.
Welllllll I reckon I'm a bit late to this dog fight; but as stated before; I can second that Claude has been a gentleman, an excellent craftsman, bent over backwards to work with me on my hack. As much jawing we have done; I hope I can call him a friend too.
Don't know a thing about the other guy; but this is not the forum to wack a guy across the face with a gauntlet!
I've kept my mouth shut during this thread.But I will say this If I knew now what I know I would not have bought a USED all ready built Dauntless rig.The guy I bought it from didn't ride it much.It was immacutate shape.But when I started to really ride it mainly on the road the mounts started to break.After buying the Wheel kit,trail reduction tree.&the heel toe shifter that first winter. I caalled for some help when the camber adjuster broke,you acted like you didn't give a damn,when the main support mounts broke all I got from you was "what do you want me to do" alittle advise would have been nice.But you acted like you didn"t give a shit.Claude didn't know ne from adam,but his advise was great help.I've had to rebuild every mount you made..You got to WAKE UP man.Antbody ask me who to goo to I push them towards Claude or Kurt at SCF..I one of those guys who put bad threads out there about your stuff..Sorry Jay I'm the type that will praise good work,but I will also tell it the other way if the work is shit...Enough said....
Not to get off topic...but
Claude - that is one sweet looking trail reducer.
Gonna have to take a look at that the next time we come up to visit.
Claude's proven his true self time and time again through all customer dealings; even during this "adversity", he's let his integrity, honesty, and reputation speak for him. Thank you Claude for being you....
To follow up on the orginal post above we now have the 1150GS trail reducers in stock. Those who have them are liking them. I finally got one on my own 1150GS/ Outback sidecar rig today. Steering is very easy but you can still 'feel the road' so to speak.
Over the winter we will be building two leading link setups for two different 1200GS outfits. If anyone is intertested feel free to call. They will have a car tire on them and floating calipers.
I have 8k miles on the rig since Claude made this (and other) mods to my GSA/Hannigan. To say it has enhanced my spirited riding is a bit of an understatement! It has made steering not effortless, but easy enough that with Barley as ballast I can really haul ass thru twisties.
This was illustrated on the way back from the MOA Rally in Missouri last month. We were on some rural sweepers in Ohio's Amish country when I noticed a Harley rider coming up fast behind us. The sight bumped me out of sightseeing mode and into booking mode. We quickly lost him in the sweepers. Half an hour later we came to a small town with a really nice village green, and pulled over for a hydration break under the shade trees.
I was sitting there with my dog a few minutes later when the Harley pulled up next to our rig, then spotted us in the shade. "Holy shit!" he shouted with a big grin. "You ride the f*ck out of that rig!"
Made me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Gonna want some pics/drawings/whatever you have of this set up.
Definitely interested and subscribed.
Good work Claude, sorry to see this sort of thing on here, Jay has done his company no favours with this. It's about as ridiculous as Triumph complaining that Suzuki use telescopic forks. Claude's design is clearly no copy of Jay's, as any right thinking person can see.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
We do that over here too, we call it "a drink".