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California bans ICE cars and trucks 2035

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by Spaceweasel, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. Rider68

    Rider68 Been here awhile

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    It's also hard to predict the law of unintended consequences. Over a hundred years ago no one cared about the environment when trains were pumping coal in the air. When we start mining lithium and cobalt to make millions of batteries, what happens next? Meeting the power needs of everyone on the planet is never going to be environmentally free. We're probably trading CO2 emissions for something else, but we don't know what yet.
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  2. Snake Oiler

    Snake Oiler If the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

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    Happy Snapper GOMOB.

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    Welcome to the Socialist Republic of California.

    We have similar down here in Australia. Victoria where they actually blew up a power station to save the planet.. and now buy coal generated power from the other states.

    All smoke and mirrors.
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  4. Snake Oiler

    Snake Oiler If the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

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    Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea if there's really a solid plan and the ability to follow it through. But 15 years I'm not sure that's realistic. 30 possiblity but Im not learned enough on the subject.

    Just yesterday I read an article about CA power grid starting planned shutdowns, how do the plan to produce five times or more energy to support these ev's? And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I totally agree that fossil fuel isn't going to be available for ever. But solar and wind isn't the answer neither in my opinion. I'm betting on nuclear, but who knows what technology has in the next few years.
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  5. voltsxamps

    voltsxamps Advolturer

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    Well, it’s either move forward or..

    CE92FF99-183D-4300-9759-5A29068B9C93.jpeg
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  6. CrazyCooter

    CrazyCooter --Crazy MoFo-- Supporter

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    That's not a CARB compliant solution........:jack
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  7. Spaceweasel

    Spaceweasel Adventurer

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    Carrots are pretty low carb. I'd say it checks out.
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  8. Snake Oiler

    Snake Oiler If the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

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    Amish country lots of those back in Pennsylvania where I'm from. Watch out where those things leave their waste, put you down real quick on two wheels
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  9. liberpolly

    liberpolly Lazy rider

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    We in WA state are perfectly happy to trade with CA their super-cheap solar when it's plentiful with our hydro when it's needed, and ride along on their explosion of electric vehicle production. Of course they will need nuclear for the baseload when they forests burn and the solar is out.

    If anyone can drive down prices on electric vehicles through the economy of scale, it's California.
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  10. liberpolly

    liberpolly Lazy rider

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    First, we eliminate the need for cobalt...
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  11. Cataract2

    Cataract2 Where to?

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    Lotta money being poured into that right now. From my understanding, they are close if not have achieved that already and are scaling it.
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  12. Spaceweasel

    Spaceweasel Adventurer

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    Elon's battery day included a claim that their new 4680 tabless battery is cobalt free. They use nickel instead.
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  13. jas67

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    Hopefully, alternatives to pure EV's will still exist for use cases such as yours.
    I think that pure EV's will meet the needs of most people. It is those of use with use cases like yours that might find things difficult, or at least expensive.

    For 4-wheeled vehicles, maybe an EV with a hydrogen fuel cell "range extender" will work, but, that would be much more difficult for motorcycles. Even touring by electric motorcycle will likely be possible for most people, especially with bikes that have DC quick charging capability, and as Quick charging infrastructure becomes as wide spread as gas stations. The edge case that will become difficult or impossible with electric motorcycles, is many days in a row w/o access to a charger. It isn't like you can just pack extra fuel and take it with you. Now, the truck you use to pull the 19,000# 5th wheel is a fuel-cell hybrid, maybe you can use the truck+5th wheel as a base camp, and charge your electric motorcycle from it.
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  14. jas67

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    That shit is slippery. :muutt
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  15. nacho squatcho

    nacho squatcho Been here awhile

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    My biggest complaint with battery tech right now is longevity and price. For example, my dad owns an EGO battery mower and it’s battery died after 3 years (just outside the warranty period) which he replaced for $300. I just bought a new gas lawnmower that will probably last 10-15 years for $400. I have a battery weed eater which is great because I don’t stink like 2 stroke exhaust after using it and if I get 3-5 years out of it cool, I didn’t pay a ton of money for it.
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  16. liberpolly

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    https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-replacement/

    Real-world data showed that Tesla battery degradation was less than 10% after over 160,000 miles (257,500 km):
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    With an update to its warranty earlier this year, Tesla now covers all battery capacity degradation in all its vehicles with a limit of 70% capacity for up to 8 years or 100,000 to 150,000 miles depending on the model.​
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  17. nacho squatcho

    nacho squatcho Been here awhile

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    That's a good example of how it should be. The entire state going to electric transportation isn't going to happen without massive subsidies, the consumer will pay for it one way or another.

    I'm working on my escape plan now so in 15 years it won't matter to me. Don't want to breathe smoke for half of the year for the next decade.
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  18. liberpolly

    liberpolly Lazy rider

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    They are banking on taxing hitech companies which get their revenue from advertisement, so it's the ads that are taxed, which ends up increasing the consumer prices *elsewhere*, so in essence, California is planning to tax the rest of the world to subsidize them spearheading the transition to electric, which in turn creates benefits for others to follow their trail much more cheaply.

    Feel free to parse this to decide whether it's a good or a bad thing :)

    Notably, Tesla spends zero dollars on advertisement.
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  19. Spaceweasel

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    Of course the other thing to remember is that the consumers/taxpayers of the world pay for climate change whether we fix it or not.
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  20. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    There was a documentary called...

    """They Safest Place on Earth. """

    It talked about nuclear waist and what too do with it...

    They say there is 250.000 tons of it stored above ground with no place too put it,,, some of it from other countries was too be stored in the U.S.,,, but they wouldn't let it come in...

    It got dumped over board into the ocean by Norway or something like that...

    Yes,,, If the new nuclear stuff comes out,,, that would be awesome,,, the energy board still needs too do something with the massive stock pile that keeps growing each day...
    They might of accumulated another 50.000 tons on top of that over the years...

    Even if the documentary is 50% right on its numbers,,, that still alot of nuclear waist sitting above ground...

    J.T.
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