California Scooter Co. 250 ADV MC?

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  1. brian72

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    Weight?
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  5. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Doesn't this company cal scooter have a good rep? Aren't some of the guys here involved with it? If you want to know more look up Honley 250cc Adventurer bike . Seem like 3 diffenrent companies are rebranding it to there own name. Only Question is whom engine is getting cloned? If that s the case then interchangeability. Update a review from the uk. I know I had seen this before. http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...es/bikes/honley-rx3---a-250cc-adventure-bike/

    An other update second review: http://www.morebikes.co.uk/2014-honley-venturer-250cc-review/

    74mpg from the 16 litre tank , Top speed 94 MPH so lets say real life 85 . seat high 31.5 .
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  6. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    ride report in china http://kelleyssilkroad.blogspot.ca/2014/07/preparations-my-driving-license_2.html

    another forum report 9 pages long : http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?6634-Zongshen-RX3-report


    Have look but it' s not English
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    End of the day same price new as used KLR from here or clist outfitted. Anyway Just fount out there s a post somethere on adv about them called: advrider entitled A New Thumper
    Turns out this is not a shit china company 5 kargest in china:
    Zongshen was founded in 1992 and now consists of 52 wholly owned or part owned subsidiary companies. The Zongshen group has over 18,000 employees, and the total assets or worth over 4 billion Yuan. It is one of the five largest motorcycle manufacturers in China.
    Based in Chongqing, China, it has a yearly output of over 1,000,000 motorcycles.
    They are presently in partnerships with Harley Davidson and Piaggio.
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  7. longhaul747

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    It looks surprisingly good....

    I think they should make it a 500 and charge a little more for it though. 250 is really not much power and I bet its heavy.

    The engine sort of looks Suzuki-ish but I have no idea if its a Suzuki clone or somebody else's.

    The problem with these bikes is the lack of dealer support and its pretty common for the importers to go out of business leaving product support high and dry. The only saving graze is most of these clones are similar so usually with a lot of headache you can find a part that will work.
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    I understand completely and agree with you about Zongshen but perception is reality. They will have to fight the cheap china crap label just like many others have before them.

    Then we have a bike that's a rebrand with little to no dealer support. Here on the east coast CSC products are nonexistent so it might as well be a drop shipped bike.

    Nothing against CSC they make some really cool really fast mini bikes but this is just another rebrand that can be had elsewhere. It may be a great bike but CSC has a big hill to climb.

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    I tell you what If they had some sort of repair facility network across the US that would handle delivery, setup and warranty repairs (make that a 2 year warranty) and maybe tossed in roadside assistance I might bite.

    I think the bike looks pretty cool and its got EFI. I could use a cheap and I don't care about winter hack bike.

    I still consider 250 a limiting factor but I currently have 2 250's and let me tell you a 250 today is not the same as 250's from yesteryear. My CBR250R and GW250 are surprisingly very adequate. Plus you can't beat a 250 for economics either. I remember taking the MSF class 20 years ago and riding the Nighthawk 250's around. Even being a brand new rider at the time I found that these bikes could not get out of their own way. Modern 250's are at least double the usable power now.

    Its going to be interesting following owner reports on these. The Chinese stuff is improving. Zongshen is supposedly one of the better mainland China home brands. The problem is you need a solid importer and its an uphill battle. The Chinese stuff has a bad rap that is solidly justified and if you don't sell bikes you can't stay in business. I am actually a little amazed in this day and age one would even try.
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    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    If I was a hundred pounds lighter I would try one. !!. But then again I ride a 1990 XT350 with about the same HP. !!.


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    From what I can tell CSC is nonexistent on a lot of the West Coast, too. I've never seen one in Seattle or Portland. Their website doesn't even list any dealers.
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    Actually, before we moved from Puyallup to near Hilo on the big island of Hawaii, I saw the mustang-looking CSC bikes at a scooter dealer in Tacoma, Washington. I was quite impressed at the build quaility. 5428 South Tacoma Way is their address, and they show that they still sell the CSC bikes. Here is the web address:

    http://www.nwmotorscooters.com/

    Maybe call first to see what the have in stock. CSC now sells the 150cc and a 250cc bike.

    I don't know if they might be amenable to stocking the RX3 dual sport or not. But, they are a dealer.
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    I think they are beating the big four to the punch with this one with an affordable, low displacement, bag friendly ADV bike. Honda should follow with an ADV bike based on their CBR 300 single.
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    I ride a 2013 TMEC 200cc enduro as my daily commuter after having bought a used '09 one and running it into the ground (but learning alot, hence the confidence in the new one), and it uses a Zongshen manufactured engine that is made as a proprietary engine for TMEC. It is the simple aircooled CG125 based clone engine.

    I really believe that Zongshen is taking a giant leap forward with this bike, but not sure if they should have made some versions with a liquid-cooled, carb version. I do understand that Europe (EU) and even China which has copied Europe's emissions are very strict, hence the fuel injection, but Zongshen makes third-world workhorses, and is quite good at it (I put over 10k miles in the year and a half I owned the '09 bike riding daily, 33 mile round trip, year round in southern AZ--115 F on some summer days riding home from work!), but this is a big leap of faith for them.

    Here is what it will boil down to--a good distributor. My TMECs were/are backed by one of the best distributors, hands down. As in calling during business hours, and getting hold of someone who generally knows something. I AM NO MECHANIC, but with help from the distributor (and having stock on hand), and groups like chinariders and mychinamoto, I have been able to keep on daily commuting. Obviously a good dealer will help, if you happen to live near one, but a one-stop distributor who is very responsive has given me faith in cheap Chinese bikes.

    I did try to convince them to carry these bikes months ago, but they are tied up in other brands, but I did try at least...
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    Culcune, what did you do to the 2009 TMEC? Is it still rideable, or?
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    All that complexity, $3000, and made in China. I have owned 2 Chinese bikes, and will never buy another one. But it will be interesting to see how it holds up. My Chinese 200cc dual sport lasted 3500 miles. My used XT225 with 1800 miles on it when I bought it, now has 30,000+ miles and is running great.
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    Too much plastic for my taste but the fact that it's Chinese wouldn't stop me from buying one. 50,000+ miles on my Lifan 200 so far, one of the most reliable bikes Ive ever owned in 46 years of riding.
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    My GW 250 [Suzuki] was at least assembled in China. Not sure how much influence Suzuki had on the bike start to finish, but so far, great bike for a 250. It's been in China for a couple of years prior to export,so maybe they learned a bit about what standards they need to meet, to sell and export the product. They do have a better after market accessories set up than ava thru Suzuki here, they also have an S Model GW, same bike but with fairings/bags and small windshield. Actually looks very nice.The US only has 2013 models ,no 14's ,but China had 14's and the new S model is a 2014. As normal we got the black only color and the rest of the world got red,blue white and black. I agree with the eariler comment smaller cc engines are here to stay and at least in my area the larger bikes are to heavy, to big, to expensive and still setting on the showroom floor. No complaints on my GW. CMS
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  20. JerryH

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    Those were American Lifans, and unfortunately no longer available. They were super simple, right down to the pushrod engine. This is made by Zongshen, which never seemed to have the quality of Lifan. Look how well the Lifan engines hold up, compared to anything else made in China. Zongshen is actually a Chinese company. Suzuki, Kymco, and many others have their own factories in China.

    I can get a brand new GW250 right now for $3000 OTD. It won't even sell at that price. Dealer has had it for a long time. I don't see anything wrong with it, and seriously considered one myself, before buying the Enfield. Now I don't need another motorcycle. My biggest concern with the GW250 is future parts availability. I checked on bikebandit .com and cheapcycleparts.com, and they don't have hardly anything for it. It looks like a one year bike with not that many sold. A shame really. Seems like a great sporty bike, without the awful (for me) ergonomics of the 250 Ninja and CBR.
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