Cascade Discovery Route

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Apple Jam, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. BobcatSig

    BobcatSig Single Track Beater

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    @Apple Jam thanks for posting about the trailer rigs. That makes it much easier for me. I can trailer down, ride for three days. Ride back, load and head home. Slabbing it all the way home on the 690 sounds like misery.
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  2. 97707

    97707 Go Long

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    For folks who will be riding back to the snow park on Sunday, then driving back to PDX or wherever, there are ways to return that are way faster than the scenic route we take south. Some are all slab, some mixed slab and dirt.

    Consider:

    The Windigo Pass Rd (NF 60) to Hiway 58, dirt

    Cascade Lakes Hiway (NF 46) to Bend or Sunriver, paved.

    NF 41 to 46 from Sunriver, then a couple options to Sklyliners (4601), dirt.

    Brooks Haul Rd (4606) from Skyliners to Sisiters, dirt.

    Hiway 20 from Sisters to Santiam Pass, paved.



    Example, take Windigo to 58 to 46 to 40 to 97 to Bend, 20 to Sisters to your rig. That's 154 miles, 3 hours 47 minutes according to the Google.

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  3. thirsty 1

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    Unfortunately I’m not going to make it to the southern route. My work sent me to Kaohsiung Taiwan for a vessel repair. I guess I’ll try again next year. Cheers fellas

    The scooters scene is pretty amazing

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  4. mk23

    mk23 Been here awhile

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    Hi guys!

    So, some friends and I were suppose to be doing WABDR next week, but with all thw fires, a lot of the roads N of Chelan appear to be closed.

    We were thinking of heading south instead... A bit last minute. Is the Cascade road open all the way down? Does it connect with Route 3 ORBDR?

    Next one is a bit hard, but on average, if you don't mess around to much or get lost too bad, how long would the loop down the Cascadev route to #3, take #6 to cross over to 101 take?
  5. Commiehunter

    Commiehunter Been here awhile

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    As far as I know, the whole route is open. I believe it does connect to Route 3, or close enough.

    Can't help you on time for the whole thing, have no experience on BDR yet
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  6. Apple Jam

    Apple Jam Forest Flyer

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    As of now, I believe we have no fires near the Cascade Discovery Route. Most riders will spend 2-3 days riding the entire North CDR from Hood River to Big Lake, where you can connect directly to OBCDR Route 3, 4 and 6. Riders that don't stop much can maybe push the North CDR to a day and a half, but that would be pushing it, There are very, very few fast roads on the CDR and a lotta slow (great!) bad roads.

    Are you guys gonna still be on the road August 23rd-26th?
    Think about Apple Jam's South Cascades Roaming Rally, willya?
  7. mk23

    mk23 Been here awhile

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    Thank you for the info. Would you know perhaps if there are any issue on route 3 between CDR and route 6? Any issues with route 6?

    It's sort of a fluid, still developing schedule. But I think, if all goes well, we would have already moved on to route 6 by then....Otherwise, that sounds amazing!


    Thank you for the info!!!
  8. BackCountryCruizer

    BackCountryCruizer Gnarled Adventurer

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    My wife and I rode the eastern portion of route 6 a little over a week ago and encountered a wash out where Moss Creek crosses what Garmin calls Swift Creek Rd. N 43.55652 W 122.25684. You can use NF23 as a a work around and you really only miss a few miles of NF2120 and NF2135 before you're back on route. We got back on route and rode to Idleyld, just off route a few miles. We fueled at Crescent around 9:30ish and arrived at Idleyld around 5:00ish. We were only stopped in route for about an hour total. Some slow (and very dusty) road around Summit Lake but some super freeway gravel road in other places.
    Route 3 to 6 is almost seamless since you must fuel at Crescent. Not many fueling options once you're heading east from Crescent.
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  9. mk23

    mk23 Been here awhile

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    Thank you for the heads up!

    So, this is the 1st time we will be dual sporting in OR. We are from WA.

    As far as I understand, based on my conversation with a rep at RideTVOregon:

    -as a dual sport, I don't need a Fire extinguisher and shovel (only side by sides and 4x4 is what she said)
    -as a dual sport, there is an exception to the reciprocity with WA, and I need an ATV tag, when I pull into OR. (any thoughts where to buy it, if we are coming down the I5, then following the Columbia to the top start of CDR?)
    -I need to do the free ATV safety online safety course before coming down.

    Is my understanding of all of that correct? Do I need anything else, as a WA dual sport rider, to come down and do CDR?

    Thank you!
  10. Commiehunter

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    You can get the tag at major stores like Sportsman's Warehouse or Cabela's.
  11. dhally

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    I think the Oregon web site has permit locations. Stateline Polaris in Milton-Freewater is closed.
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    Shady Pass David Been here awhile

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    Just in case anyone is coming up to Wa...I stopped at Cooper's in Ardenvoir and Daryl was serving food to 7 or 10 riders.....Didn't see any ADV stickers and I had Ice cream in the back of my truck, so I just headed home upriver. Still level #3 but the 2 county mounties were very pleasant....:1drink......
  13. Apple Jam

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    That is true. It'd be nice to have a gallon of water with you this time of year, but not required. You should also have spark arrest exhaust this time of year, but few stock mufflers would ever be an issue.
    Only a plate is needed to ride all the good and bad regular forest roads in OR. An ATV sticker is NOT needed when you ride a plated bike into OR, but only required when you ride within the boundaries of a designated OHV area. The CDR does normally pass through two OHV Areas on roads where such a sticker would be required, but these OHV areas are all officially closed to riding the dirt trails right now for fire danger, and you will need to bypass the OHV areas right now. The Rock Creek OHV is near Wamic, and near where you would start the Barlow Road. Just after you ride Bennett Pass Rd, you will turn onto Grasshopper Rd. You will want to keep going SE on Grasshopper Road and take it straight down to FS48, the main paved two-lane to Wamic, where you can catch the Barlow Rd again. Another OHV area is at the South end down by Big Lake, near the Santiam Pass.

    All Forest Roads with vegetation in the middle are officially closed right now to all motorized vehicles. Many of the CDR bad roads do have vegetation in the middle, that the FS does not want you to be riding on right now. They likely are never around to check up on you these days, but please be careful, and please use some discretion and bypass the roads with heavy vegetation right now. You don't want to be that guy that starts a fire out there.

    If you decide to get an OHV Sticker for OR, you will need to take the online ATV safety class also, to make sure you understand the rules, and to make the ATV sticker valid for you. You can get the sticker at any/all motorcycle shops, like Mid-Columbia Motorsports (Yamaha, Can Am and BRP) just off the I-84 freeway in Hood River.

    But...You do not need an OHV sticker or the safety card if you stay out of the currently closed OHV areas. Your WA plate is fine everywhere else on the CDR.
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  14. mk23

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    Where does FS cross Barlow again? Google seems to show they are parallel next to Wamic.




    How do you guys camp on the CDR? Are there suggested spots? Is it legal to pitch a tent just anywhere?
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    barlow trail is a national historic road/site. An easement if you will. the other roads around it are logging and forest and access roads.

    many undocumented campsites along the way and many with vault toilets and picnic benches. in oregon unless marked no camping you can pretty much pitch a tent wherever you think is appropriate. if you don't have provisions to dig a shitter hole you should be with in 500ft of a vault toilet.
  16. oldmonkeybut

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    You are supposed to have a 2.5 lb fire extinguisher on your Motorcycle or ATV. The Shovel, Axe and Gallon of water applies to Jeeps, Trucks and Cars. It doesn't have to be a requirement to be a good idea. Packing an extinguisher would sure beat the shit out of being the asshole that burnt the woods down if something bad was to happen. It is explosively dry out there right now.

    Thanks to the Nation wide Forest Service Motor Vehical Use Maps. The old Camp Wherever program we have lived by most of our lives is no longer legal. They cover "Dispersed Camping" in detail with those stupid maps. Only roads on the map with little dots beside them are legal to camp off of. It also details specific distances from those roads that you are allowed to camp. The whole thing pisses me off. Those are our Public Lands. They have created a major albatross for themselves as far as enforcement. Chances are they won't catch you but it is expensive if you do get caught.
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    I always feel like such an asshole when I have to make posts like this. :-) What you are posting above is more wrong than right. You are "NOT" required to carry a 2 1/2 lb fire extinguisher. You can carry a gallon of water instead. I have a rotopax 1 gallon water container that locks on to the rear rack of my CRF250L. The dispersed camping rules vary between State Forests, USDA Forests, BLM, Areas, and National Forests, and there are only a couple protected watershed areas that prohibit dispersed camping in the Mt. Hood National forest. People should research where they are going to be riding and know the rules for that area, not take what you read in a forum as gospel. I'm not a smoker, but I'm tired of seeing people post up saying you can only smoke in an enclosed building or enclosed vehicle, that actually is true in the Tillamook State forest, but in the National Forests during Public Use Restrictions like right now the rule states "smoking is restricted to an enclosed vehicle or building, in a designated campground, in boats on lakes and rivers, or while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter that is clear of all flammable material." That last part pretty much means if you stop your bike on any dirt/gravel road with no vegetation you're okay to smoke as long you are 1 and 1/2 feet of from any vegetation. So, basically do your own research so you know the actual rules for the area you will be in. That means actual government websites not Riderplanet, not ADV forums, not Outdoor Project.com or anywhere else.
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    https://www.offroad-ed.com/oregon/studyGuide/Required-Equipment/402038_700080553/

    Required Equipment
    Before an ATV, ORM, and side-by-side may be operated on public lands in Oregon, the vehicle and its riders must have the required equipment.

    • Helmet: All operators and passengers under 18 years of age must wear a properly fitted helmet with the chin strap fastened securely. The helmet must be designed for motorized vehicle use and have a safety-approved label from the Department of Transportation (DOT). Since a properly fitting, safety-approved helmet is the most important safety gear for an off-road rider or passenger, all riders should wear helmets.
    • Safety Goggles: All operators and passengers should wear securely fastened safety goggles. When it is bright during the day, orange or yellow lenses make terrain and potential hazards more visible, especially when riding on sand dunes. Do not wear tinted lenses at night.
    • Spark Arrestor: All off-road vehicles with an internal combustion engine must have a U.S. Forest Service-approved spark arrestor that is in good working condition if operating on public lands in Oregon.
    • Lights: All off-road vehicles must display working headlights and taillights from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour after sunrise.
      • Class I ATVs (quads and 3-wheelers) and Class III ATVs (off-road motorcycles) must have at least one headlight and one taillight.
      • Lights also should be used when operating on dark forest trails and roads, even during the day.
    • Fire Extinguisher: Class II ATVs (includes Jeeps, SUVs, and sand rails) and Class IV ATVs (side-by-sides) must be equipped with an approved dry chemical-type fire extinguisher that has at least 2 lbs. capacity. Class I ATVs and off-road motorcycles are excluded from the fire extinguisher requirement.
    • Safety Flag: When operating an ATV, ORM, or side-by-side on sand or in dune areas—including Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area, Sand Lake, and Christmas Valley—you must display a red or orange flag that is at least 8x12 inches in size. The flag must be displayed 9 feet above the ground on the off-road vehicle.
  19. oldmonkeybut

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    Thanks for straightening that out. Obviously I am the Asshole. I just went through this with the Umpqua NF. I could scan and post the paperwork they gave me concerning the fire regulations during Extreme levels, but it isn't worth the effort. What the fuck do I know...Do your own thing
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    Dispersed Camping
    Camping outside campgrounds is permitted in many parts of the Mt. Hood National Forest. Camping is permitted for 14 consecutive days and up to 28 days on the Forest in a calendar year. Some areas are closed to camping or entry to protect the watershed or wildlife habitat. If you are uncertain whether an area is open, please contact a Forest Service office. For more tips on safe and proper dispersed camping, please click here.
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