Cascade Discovery Route

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Apple Jam, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. sprocket3

    sprocket3 Long timer

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    I think 370 is being questioned now as it's not open consistently during our riding season. That's a good route though and maybe an alternative option.

    Waldo to Crescent Lake Junction looks sweet. Do you know if this is open for sure? What are the roads like there? If you'll bump into a hipster in a Subaru on this road AJ won't be happy.
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    Right, the 600 from Little Cultus to Waldo is a nice bit of trail. And yup, the 5897 is a stretch of pavement that dumps you out on a state hiway. Doesn't work for me cuz I'm riding an unplated dirt bike.

    The version on that map I posted takes you to 58 and fuel near Manley's. There are a few ways to get over to Crescent Lake. Say by way of the track or around by Big Marsh by way of 5820. Pretty hard to completely avoid all pavement.

    Can't say I'm familiar with the section that takes off from the west end of Crescent, but I'm guessing it heads of down into the Umpqua drainage. Is that right?


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  3. Flyin Brian

    Flyin Brian Been here awhile

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    I'm pretty sure there's a powerline (you can see the powerline in satellite view) that can be followed for those 16 miles. Parallels 46. Another local can chime in here for confirmation.
    As far as the 370 gate goes. We've had to rely on someone going up to it and seeing if it's open or not. Forest service has stated in the past that's its open and you get there and it's locked. Iffy for planning purposes. It is a nice stretch though and there's good stealth camping to be had.
    As an alternate as I mentioned before you can take 4601 down into the tumalo falls area and hop across skyliners rd. Catch the 430 to 4615 which will put you back on the cascade lakes hwy (372). From there you can hit Kapka Butte to a variety of two track roads which can be taken up to the aforementioned powerline that parallels cascade lakes hwy.
    Lots of options to be had!!
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    I know. Like I said, it was open this past season. But you can't always count on that. Just have to get local knowledge before you head over from Sisters. I expect the gate on the 370 is on the Bend Ranger District, and a call to that office should tell you if its open.

    What are the roads like? Well from Waldo the 4290 is a washboard twat. At least the bottom part is. But you only need to put up with about five miles of the top part. From there down to Davis I would say is fine. Sand and cinder forest roads. No gates anywhere on that route.

    I can't offer any guarantees you won't find any hiker types in a Subaru. Probly some folks dragging around travel campers near Davis Lake. There are all kinds of half abandoned FS roads and overgrown skid trails in that area, if you want to make things even more challenging. Most of what I showed there I can get my 4x4 down.



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  5. 97707

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    Ah, good one. Yes I know the powerline you're talking about. Its there from Deschutes Bridge to Elk Lake, about eight miles worth. So That cuts the blacktop section down to eight miles or so. BTW, part of that line is gonna be sketchy riding.

    I don't recall where the 370 gate is on the north end or if there even is one. If you come from that side and get all the way to the gate by Todd Lake, no need to turn back. I'm pretty sure you can ride right around it.

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    I think the harder the better is the concept here. The road off the back of Crescent lake is real similar to the one up to Waldo from Little Cultus. It's a great track that goes past Summit Lake.

    I just got busted on the pavement with my dirtbike last week. 5 warnings and 1 citation. I'm sure if he wanted to be a prick it would have broke $1000 in fines. I was trying to sneak about 1 mile to save some time.
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    I've spent some time in that area scouting for hunting season. There are lots of primitive tracks. One difficulty would be connecting them into a through route. Another will be a lot of work cutting some of them out. And yet another is a few "no motor vehicles" signs on nice routes along the Metolius Windigo trail, Moore Creek, Maiden Peak trails, and like that.

    But if you wanted to take that map, go ride, and find challenging tracks along it and off it . . . you could do a good job of building a route fills the bill.

    Bummer on the citation.


    Sprocket, do you have a map showing the section around Crescent and Summit Lakes that you're talking about?


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    I like what you've done with Google Maps, there...
    It looks like you hand-drew the route, not with tracks, right?
    That musta taken some time.
    But it looks good with the highlighted items.

    :rofl

    :nod

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    I like the idea of heading West here into the Lakes and the greener forests, and I'd rather do a bad powerline road than 16 miles of slab. I sure do wish that section of 370 could be counted on to be open. I have yet to ride that often closed part down to Todd Lake, but what's left between Three Creeks and Tumalo is still most excellent bad road. My kinda bad roads too.....that if you're a n00b, just go slow and you'll probly make it fine. If you want more challenge, just go faster, and then it suddenly becomes as difficult as you want it to be. And 40mph feels like FLYING on this kinda stuff. I've ridden the other side from Todd Lake, too, until it hits the gate at the intersection with 380. 380 is a GREAT up-and-back, BTW.
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    Right, I didn't have tracks. Just going on where I've been. The map could be fine tuned just a little. Specially if you want to add some challenging side routes that qualify as black diamond.

    But really, its about good to go as is. Only you might have to wait for some snow to melt.


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    OR400 Been here awhile

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    Looks like we have a lot of work to do this spring. :evil
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    wachs just passin' through

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    Still waiting for a call back from Sister NFS office.
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    might as well start now,,ain't no snow to worry about,,:cry
    Without any snowpack,,this ride/adventure is a fantasy,,sorry,,but the woods will be closed this year due to lack of precip....they have their rules too,, they look at a rain gage, they look at ground water, they look at snow pack,,we got no water in any of them,,they lock gates!,,,they'll close the state this year!:cry
    ride Idaho,,:deal
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    pigpen Gone Riding

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    Yep, we better be doing a snow dance soon! Or look on the bright side of things:
    We will be able to ride everything two to three months earlier than usual! Those poor bastards waiting to do the BDR's will not be a go in August, sept.
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    Probly right. Likely there'll be a few weeks around May and June between patchy snow and mud . . . and closed for fire season.

    Speaking again of that section between Three Creeks and Cascade Lakes Hiway, especially the 4601 and 370, its on the Bend watershed and choked with deadwood.

    Pretty much a conflagration waiting to happen. Its a popular hike and pedal bike area but a prime candidate for closure come fire season. In which case you'd have to do 242 to 46 by way of the Brooks Road.

    If they close more of the high country, its gonna have to be rides down on the BLM in the sage and juniper. But okay, there's plenty of that too.


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    wachs just passin' through

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    Guess what? If you go through this program it's actually legal to carry a chainsaw!

    https://lnt.org/events/high-cascade-for ... ng-bend-or

    Talked to a guy at Sisters NF and he clued me into the certification process. He said the clinics are about more than just saw safety and and trail maintenance, that certification is transferable to districts that participate. In the past (when it received enough snow) the Sisters Snowmachine club, Sisters Sno Go phers would take care of the CDT as they groomed the route.

    The 2 bridges: one made of big logs across Squaw creek and the other new bridge across Snow creek have been removed and burnt. Snow creek has also been logged and that section is going to be re-routed - probably what it it now, logging road get-around.

    He did not know about the huge pile of ponderosa and the jumble of fir and dead blow down closer to HWY 242 but did say even with certification, there's a 24" diameter limit to what you're allowed to cut. I don't usually carry a ruler so . . .
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    I'm familiar with a few different organizations that do volunteer trail work.

    One of them is Backcountry Horsemen. Kate Beardsley who is mentioned in the certification class you linked to is with them. These guys have are supposed to maintain the Metolius Windigo, among others.
    http://www.bcho.org/wp/

    Another one is Oregon Equestrian Trails folks.
    http://www.oregonequestriantrails.org/

    And then there is the mountain bikers.
    http://cotamtb.com/


    One issue is, once they do some work, they sort of own the trail. Or think they do. One of the first things that happens is they want to exclude motors. Not always wrong, but it would make cooperating with them iffy. Eventually any trail route you construct has the possibility of someone complaining to the Forest Service about conflicts.

    The bicyclers can get pretty ornery that way. They wanted to exclude us on horseback from "their" trails.

    Another thing is there are regs against constructing any "permanent structure" on federal land. Which a trail is considered to be.


    Wachs, that link you put up https://lnt.org/events/high-cascade-for ... ng-bend-or it is five years old. Did anyone mention a cert course for 2015?

    [On edit . . . There's nothing about chainsaw certification on that link. It looks to be all about no trace camping. I spect if anyone needs the chainsaw card, they'd have to look elsewhere.]

    As I recall, if you are gonna do approved trail maintenance, it takes a
    certification plus safety gear. Chaps, boots, saw and so forth to gumment spec.

    Funny thing, spending cutbacks have meant there is next to zero trail maintenance getting done by the feds, not just on hiking trails but on lots of secondary FS roads. Yet they have the money to bulldoze and ruin a bunch of roads they want to retire. And funds to try and regulate all the volunteers out there doing maintenance on their own dime.

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    They are WAY WAY bigger than 24"!!!!!:1drink
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    I know that was supposed to be a joke, but. Its not far off. I went out to see where the snow line is today, out on the Sheridan road off 45. Got turned around by snowpack at the cinder pit . . . about 5000'.

    That's higher than Elk or Cultus Lake.


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  20. wachs

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    So after multiple calls, referrals to other agencies and no real answers to the question of the HUGE logs on the CDT I finally spoke to the president of the Sisters sno go phers snowmobile club. He said the certification class is a joke and even though it is free, it is required every year. The snowmobilers can cut logs and maintain the CDT but they can only do it on snow (there's virtually none). They have a groomer that is 12' wide and can push big stuff out of the way but without snow they aren't doing anything.

    I haven't given up though and will continue to pursue the NFS to either take those logs out or let us 'volunteers' handle it.