Civil Unrest in Nicaragua

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by TeeVee, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. tferguson

    tferguson Been here awhile

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    Thanks TeeVee, I appreciate the info. I wouldn't be travelling through there until late Sept/early Oct, so hoping things calm down a bit by then.
    In your opinion, would there be less hassle if we had numbers? More likely catch yourself in a bad situation being solo, rather than say a group of 5 or 6 bikes?
    I'm really hoping not to skip Nicaragua, it looks beautiful and a highlight of my trip. I am however looking into backups, of flying over CA and straight into Bogota
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  2. TeeVee

    TeeVee His mudda was a mudda!

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    jeeze! i hope it's gotten better by then, but frankly, i don't see much in the way of progress. sadly, today there was a group of sandinistas firing homemade weapons at the US embassy. too bad the marines didn't take 'em all out. invariably, there's always some group of jealous, uneducated asswipes that blame uncle sam for all their fucked up problems.

    i'm not sure that traveling in a group will make a difference in this climate. nica has always been a fairly safe country outside of the shittier barrios and the people are generally quite hospitable.

    as nica is kinda in the way, flying over or shipping are the only other options.

    i know there are some guys transiting nica in middle of all this and i'm surprised i haven't been flamed yet for telling people to avoid. to each their own. i can't say it's ok, while there are roving bands of sandinistas riding around in the beds of hiluxes randomly firing ak47's into crowds and buildings. 2 weeks ago, an 18 month old was shot in the neck in his house. bullet from an ak penetrated the outer wall. thankfully he wasn't killed.

    for more reasons than allowing adventurers to resume transiting through, i pray this ends sooner than later.
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  3. TeeVee

    TeeVee His mudda was a mudda!

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    Update: violence has subsided a bit, but police and paramilitary gang killings are still happening. there are now roadblocks all over the place. disturbingly, some roadblocks are being used by assholes to rob people. apparently a european woman was robbed at one of these. more than one report of the borders being closed to land traffic.

    so if you are planning on heading through central america, think again. either postpone or find a shipping modality over/around nicaragua.

    being adventurous is one thing. being stupid is, well......
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  4. Ohio_Danimal

    Ohio_Danimal If I die trying, at least I tried Supporter

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    so I have already received a response from Captain Ludwig on the Stahlratte and he said I could share his thoughts with the online community, as others no doubt are in the same boat (pun intended)
    Here is his email response to me asking whether he was aware of the probems in Nicaragua and whether he had considered how it was affecting moto travellers heading South to catch his boat in Carti Panama:
    hi dan!

    i will have to check with those who will come on our next tours to see how situation really is and who got through and who not. i am following the situation in nicaragua but it is not easy to get reliable informations. i will keep you posted as soon as i get some information from riders that are in the region!

    in the case that it will be impossible to cross nicaragua for longer time we will consider to change our route and offer a tour probabaly cancun to cartagena...maybe with a stoppover in cuba if people are interested. but this will only happen if it is absoluetely impossible to cross nicaragua for the next months and an alternative tour would beginning in cancun would be earliest happen beginning-mid of november in cancun as i do not want to risk a hurricane and the hurricane season in the caribbean is ending in november.

    cheers, ludwig
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  5. lisa thomas

    lisa thomas www.2ridetheworld.com

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    thank you TeeVee for your posts.
    Simon and I are currently in Panama needing to head north and now we are waiting......
    Waiting and hoping that the terrible situation in Nicaragua may improve although we think it may take a while.
    We are assuming it will not get better any time soon and so are looking into alternative ways to bypass.
    Once we have obtained all information- companies - air and sea freight information and quotes I will make sure i post them up here.

    Bypassing Nicaragua is not cheap and some may still feel its a viable option to transit Nicaragua- however, we feel that currently its not worth putting ourselves in potential danger.
    I agree with TeeVee when he says "being adventurous is one thing. being stupid is, well..."
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  6. Ohio_Danimal

    Ohio_Danimal If I die trying, at least I tried Supporter

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  7. Goldie05

    Goldie05 Fast George

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    Thanks for all the info TeeVee

    I'm currently planning on leaving the USA and enter Baja mid July and expect to get to near Nicaragua in mid August.
    I am hoping to be able to go through as I need to get to Panama for the boat.
    I hope to hear more from Lisa too since she's about to enter from the south.

    Lisa, please let us know if you find how to get around. Thanks
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  8. Podge

    Podge n00b

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    Thanks for the information guys, I'm also traveling south later in the Summer.
    I was hoping to get to Colombia on the Stahlratte, but if things get worse I will need to reconsider my options for Central America.

    Does anyone have any other recommendations for getting from North America to Colombia? I was hoping Air Canada flew bikes there, but from what I can find it doesn't look that way.
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  9. Goldie05

    Goldie05 Fast George

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    What is your route and when are you leaving?
    I was also hoping to catch the Stahlratte and have been in contact with them but now I'm not sure. I'm also looking for alternatives maybe even fly from Mexico to Colombia.
    Anyone have any contacts?
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  10. SkizzMan

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    If things get worse, or even persist as they are, expect the Stahlratte to provide a route
    around Nicaragua.
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  11. Podge

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    Route is Portland, OR to Mexico, crossing into Mexico south of Tucson, and then just make my way to Argentina over the following 6 - 8 months.

    I'm currently planning to enter Mexico mid August, there is no way I would make the final Stahlratte crossing before they take a break in September, so I'm planning on spending a bit longer than originally planned in Central America, and would cross from Panama to Colombia mid October.
    But if things continue or get worse I would possibly skip Central America and maybe Mexico too, and fly direct to Colombia mid to late August, or early September.

    As I would have extra time I'm open to flying from Canada or Mexico also, but hopefully things will settle down before then.
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  12. Goldie05

    Goldie05 Fast George

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    I am leaving early July from NJ and was planning on going cross country to San Diego then enter Baja and catch the ferry in La Paz. I was hoping to catch the last voyage in August on the Stahlratte. I am also on a 6 or 7 month trip so hopefully we will run into each other
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  13. lisa thomas

    lisa thomas www.2ridetheworld.com

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    the situation is getting worse. there is a general strike tomorrow - Thursday -14 June and the country is running low on food products and fuel.
    there are currently 18 permanent blockades with many more being added every day. there are many more but these are non-permanent and only operational on certain days- how long this will last before they too become permanent...who knows?
    a local friend has just advised me that it took 6 hours for her to complete a 45 min journey. She suffered many searches and felt very intimidated by the blockades underthe control of goverment 'turbas'.
    There are travellers that have managed to 'get through' but they themselves have said 'no way they would enter knowing the situation as it is now'.

    here are a few useful links to help you remain updated:
    http://todaynicaragua.com/category/crisis-in-nicaragua/
    The Facebook page of panamerican travelers association

    Simon and I are currently connecting with shipping companies for either sea freight or air freight from Panama into Honduras, Guatemala or Mexico.
    both options are possible to all of these countries and of course vice-versa. Its not a cheap option but then again, how much do you value your safety?
    links to transportation companies:

    Transport Logistica Centroamericano - www.tlcpty.com - contact ALICIA CARRASCO email: alicia.carrasco@tlcpty.com
    Panama Soluciones Logisticas - www.panamasolucioneslogisticas.com - contact Julio C. Sánchez Q. email: commercial@pslint.net

    we will keep you posted.
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  14. pceire32

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    Thank you Lisa. Hope you are feeling well now, wishing you good health.
    Paul :-)
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  15. Ryan Bradburn

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    We passed north-south through Nicaragua a couple days ago: El Espino to Peñas Blancas. Really rough south and east of Managua: particularly Jinotepe and Rivas. We got really lucky and stumbled upon a source for a guide around everything down there.

    I made A GPX of our route and posted it along with some notes here: http://panamericanmotoadventure.blogspot.com/2018/06/nicaragua-passage.html

    Will try to keep an eye on this thread in case there are questions, but we're still booking it south, so won't be online a ton.
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  16. Ryan Bradburn

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    Direct link to the GPX.

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  17. TeeVee

    TeeVee His mudda was a mudda!

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    i am sad to see that people are still crossing nicaragua for their "adventures." as far as i'm concerned no adventure includes risking your life in a known violent area. this is coming from someone that has 14 years in nicaragua. someone that just this week paid an enormous amount of money to evacuate his family and leave behind home, vehicles and possessions for the sake of their safety. all of my friends either have already or are in the process of leaving the country.

    last night, 3 blocks from our house, paramilitary assholes burned a house with an entire family inside including 2 babies. do you think they give a fuck about killing some idiots on motorcycles? they are burning human bodies in the street!

    for fuck's sake people, get your priorities right or simply ride your bike off of a cliff, that way no one will be able to say you died for stupidity. call me a shithead or ban me, but if someone gets offed riding through nicaragua for fun, i will simply say it was just a drop of clorox in the gene pool.

    my final word and the last i will contribute to this thread until the violence ends is: DO NOT GO TO OR THROUGH NICARAGUA.
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  18. ApexJeff

    ApexJeff Been here awhile

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    I would hope you would continue to contribute and keep us updated on the situation, there are riders in Nicaragua now that will need your help. I am now looking at different ways to get around NIC, since I won't have to until Sept.
    Your sage advice is needed.
    I was in the same situation in Venezuela and decided to go around.
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  19. TeeVee

    TeeVee His mudda was a mudda!

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    since i and my family and friends are out of the country, my advice is worth a lot less. if you wanna be updated on the horrendous happenings there, search twitter for #SOSNicaragua and #gritopornicaragua. be prepared to see explicitly upsetting pics and videos of what is happening.

    i stopped looking because i can't stand to see it. i spent 15 years during the 80's and 90's as a paramedic in NYC. lived and worked through the crack wars. US paratroopers trained with us then cuz it was the only place they could get tons of hands-on trauma experience. i've seen and dealt with more than my share of blood and guts. and can't stand to look at it anymore.
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  20. SkizzMan

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    Lisa & Simon Thomas are arranging to fly out of Panama with their bikes to bypass Nicaragua. They’ll post an update and I’ll cross-post here if they don’t.

    Sounds like Nicaragua is a place to skip for sure. For now. So sad.
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