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Copper Canyon. Safe ?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by rinoman, Jan 13, 2020.

  1. rinoman

    rinoman Let's ride

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    Hi motorcycles enthusiasts.

    We are planing to go explore roads around Copper canyon end of January.
    I am wondering if somebody was there recently and how did you feel about safety there?

    We have group of 5 riders on 690s and few on 1200s.

    Thx.
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  2. Davidprej

    Davidprej Davidprej Supporter

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    There's an "Is Mexico Safe" thread that has a lot of helpful and knowledgeable folks. Might try posting there. Good luck w/ the trip.
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  3. shrederscott

    shrederscott Long timer

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    Safe is a relative term

    What is safe for one is dangerous for another.

    Riding is dangerous

    Riding in Mexico has greater risk than riding in USA ..lack of high-quality medical care for one reason

    Each rider decides how much risk they want to take on.

    If you have to ask, then yes Mexico is likely to risky for you

    Scott
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  4. Folly1

    Folly1 Been here awhile Supporter

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    My wife, son and his gf were robbed at gun point in a nice restaurant/hotel about 35 mi S of San Diego. The security guard was pistol whipped and left lying in his own blood. My wife lost all ID, phone, passport $, etc.
    The food was good as was the service, prior to the robbery.

    Ben.
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  5. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto Supporter

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    Biggest risk is crashing your bike and getting hurt, especially on the big bikes. Very easy to break a leg with square panniers even in a simple low speed getoff. Narcos will just ask you what you're doing, where you're going, etc. in my experience. There are a lot of people riding in the canyons now, and the people are pretty much used to seeing gringo motorcyclists. If it rains any substantial amount, the brecha roads will become impassable quickly. The river crossings will likewise become impassable. I'd carry a set of tie downs in case you need help from a friendly p-u driver. Safety is relative, but the experience of riding the canyons is amazing. Saludos.
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  6. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    The Wypers from Australia who set out from my house are there now...having a great time. I think there is a trip report 'wypers to mexcio'

    NO....I'm not touting for business...don't ask.
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  7. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    That's a good reminder on the tie-downs. I always carry a set on long trips, especially in Mexico. You never know when you'll need them.

    This is not my bike, but those are my tie-downs...:
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    Gustavo
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  8. offtheback

    offtheback Chocolate Starfish Supporter

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    There is a small coffee shop in Creel run by an American expat that is a missionary. He runs missions throughout the canyon and will guide you on where to go or not go, plus times to get inside before the purge starts. The canyon is an amazing place.
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  9. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    So he has a missionary position and runs terrorist raids among unsuspecting native groups ?
    Or is he working for an NGO to provide education , medical aid or other services among the Raramurai?

    What “ purge “ ? Please elucidate .
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  10. offtheback

    offtheback Chocolate Starfish Supporter

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    Lol. I had to read my comments again.
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  11. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT O.G. on da O.C.

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    That's my friend Jan Milner , been down there for 50+ years. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of the whole area . Histories , Indigenous peoples , arts and crafts . A world class expert on all things to do with Karl Lumholtz
    and his expeditions in the canyons. He and his wife have a small guest house in Creel .
    The coffee shop is basically a memorial for his son who pasted a year or so ago and was setting up his own coffee
    shop at the time .

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    The canyons are safe to ride in .

    Max
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  12. Mexicano

    Mexicano Adventurer

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    I rode to Creel from San Francisco and was not able to get in do to snow and bad weather .
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  13. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT O.G. on da O.C.

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    I just rolled into Creel from Moctezuma today.
    There is snow over about 2000 meters starting West of Yecora . The roads are clear but there is water ,mud and rock fall on the North facing ,shaded road sections. It would be a bad decision to ride through there early in the morning before the ice thawed.
    The road to San Juanico had been plowed but lots of greasy wet sections . It's cold up there and more weather is forcast in a few days.
    The canyons are spactactular with the snow covering . I'll be riding the Urique Batopilas high road , it could be knarly.

    Max
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  14. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    @MAXVERT I just posted about the snow in the IMS thread. Glad to hear you made it to Creel OK. Did you ride to San Juanito via the back road that goes through the Basaseachi Falls or on 16 all the way to La Junta?

    Gustavo
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  15. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT O.G. on da O.C.

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    Yes , it's slick and growing more pot holes daily.
    A " anonymous " super moderator banned me from replying or posting on IMS .
    To bad for you guys as I'm riding through the Sierra Madres four or five times a year .
    I'll be checking out the road over to bato from urique .
    Then finish riding my dirt route from Guanacevi
    through El Salto and South to the coast.
    Will be spending most of the month in DGO
    riding la Sierras

    Max
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  16. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Long timer Supporter

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    I would love to see some pics.

    We hit some snow in late March last year, in that area. The melted areas were pretty slick mud. It was great fun.

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  17. wrongturn

    wrongturn Directionally challanged

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    When we're in or around copper canyon and are tent camping is it ok to set up where find room? In other words can we boondock or will we have to stay in designated areas?
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  18. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Long timer Supporter

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    We boondocked a couple nights because we did not make the miles we thought we would and did not make it to the next town.
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  19. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT O.G. on da O.C.

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    Looking back at the canyons from the South East today there's no snow visible. Seems like one of those narrow bands plastered specific areas and not the whole Sierra. The brecha route to Guanacevi was good fun . Heading South tomorrow hoping to get to El Salto. One more day riding South to the coast will complete my rMAX
    route . Dirt from Edmonton to the coast of Mexico

    Max
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  20. HeadShrinker

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    Stay in a hotel. They are cheap. Camping isn’t safe and never forget that although you think you may be—you’re never out of sight in CC.
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