crappy trail near Estes Park

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by orion650, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. orion650

    orion650 Adventurer

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    Just a heads up if you are thinking of trying Pole Hill Road near Estes Park Colorado. I went out there Saturday and it as no fun at all. Very steep and rocky, I turned around after half a mile or so. They say it gets better after the first mile, I guess I'll never know. Maybe it's more of an MX trail than dual sport.

    If anyone here has got past the rough part, I'd be interested to hear about the experience.

    Cheers.
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  2. Tha Rick

    Tha Rick Shake and bake!

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    After the 1st mile I got my 950 in a situation that it was not happy and was steamed at me. It was near the lookout tower.

    Have you tried Bunce school rd, Switzerland, stuff like that? Johnny Park is comparative to Pole hill in spots.
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  3. orion650

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    Ya, I've done all three of those. Johnny park gets a crap rating from me too.
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  4. Abersouth

    Abersouth misadventurer

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    I know that hill!
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    Theres some good camping up there. Once you crest that first sketchy part with the steep drop to the north it gets much easier. Just a few miles worth of loops. You aren't missing anything spectacular up there. IIRC, there is a point or two where you can look down on Loveland and Estes park. I spent a few July 4th holidays up there watching fireworks. Always seemed like a bunch of kids went up there and got plastered.

    Lake Estes in the background.
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  5. orion650

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    I'm impressed you got the 800 that far. I know I could have gone all the way on my dr650, but it just wasn't fun. The only good part was finally getting some use out of my skid plate.
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  6. Asatrur

    Asatrur KLR adv rider

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    AS has some crazy things with that 800!
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  7. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    Reads like a good route to me. Other than being a road, not a trail. And being a dead end route (used to be able to ride thru to the East)

    Dual sport comes in many different flavors. BMW Whale-Foreskin riding suit crowd to plated dirt bikes.
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  8. Countdown

    Countdown Long timer

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    +1

    I am a Dual Sport event promoter and most of us consider:

    Dual Sport <500cc

    Small Adv Bikes 500cc- 700cc

    Mid size Adv Bike >700cc single

    Big Adv Bike 2 cylinders

    I have published thousands of miles of GPS Tracks and the basic way is for true Dual Sport, when he going gets too tough for all, I have Adv bypasses.
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  9. sceep

    sceep Long timer

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    Thats what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure 99% of what I love to ride would be crappy according to the OP.

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  10. Tha Rick

    Tha Rick Shake and bake!

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    Rico!
    That place has some of the crappiest trails in Colorado!
    Toddler and Xplor are all smiles there.
    <a href="https://rickysphotos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Rico-12/24910228_KcPrmT#!i=2040055582&k=nqqD44t&lb=1&s=A" title="Calib(1,1,1,0, 0, 0, 1); AWB(1323,1383); Info(911,1411,224,4399,1021,0,0)(0;0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;0,0,0,0)"><img src="https://rickysphotos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Rico-12/i-nqqD44t/0/M/FILE0214-M.jpg" title="Calib(1,1,1,0, 0, 0, 1); AWB(1323,1383); Info(911,1411,224,4399,1021,0,0)(0;0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;0,0,0,0)" alt="Calib(1,1,1,0, 0, 0, 1); AWB(1323,1383); Info(911,1411,224,4399,1021,0,0)(0;0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;0,0,0,0)"></a>
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  11. modette

    modette TrailTaker.com

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    That looks awful... :rofl
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  12. HellSickle

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    Here's the rating system I put together for the Moose Run. It depends on equipment AND rider ability. I would consider this to be at least one notch below an endure (i.e. A level Moose Run = B level endure)

    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; WIDTH: 349pt" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=465 border=0><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 112pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5449" width=149><COL style="WIDTH: 189pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 9216" width=252><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 16.5pt" height=22><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 16.5pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; WIDTH: 48pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=22 width=64> </TD><TD class=xl76 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; WIDTH: 112pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=149>Rider Ability</TD><TD class=xl77 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; WIDTH: 189pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=252>Bike</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15.75pt" height=21><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=21> </TD><TD class=xl63 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Intermediate</TD><TD class=xl71 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Plated Dirt Bike or equivalent</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=20>A Class</TD><TD class=xl64 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Expert</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Up to mid-sized dual sport (400-600cc)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15.75pt" height=21><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=21> </TD><TD class=xl69 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 2pt double; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> You are going to break a bunch of things.
    </TD><TD class=xl73 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 2pt double; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
    Big-ass adventure bike
    </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15.75pt" height=21><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=21> </TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Beginner</TD><TD class=xl74 style="BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Plated dirt bike or equivalent</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=20>B Class</TD><TD class=xl64 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Intermediate</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Up to mid-sized dual sport (400-600cc)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=20> </TD><TD class=xl64 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Expert </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 2pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Heavy dual sport (KLR650)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15.75pt" height=21><TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=21> </TD><TD class=xl69 style="BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 2pt double; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
    You are going to break something.
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    Big-ass adventure bike
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  13. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth....
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  14. blackjackdavey

    blackjackdavey long time noob

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    think i have done entire loop at Pole Hill on a KLR. makes you sweat a bit, but i don't remember anything particularly gnarly. (not to blow smoke up own ass)

    there is just not that many "nice" easy trails this side of the Front Range.
    i did Ski Rd by Allenspark last Sunday to the top. that's another good workout on KLR in a rain.

    Johnny Park has only one tricky spot, and its only hard if you have to weave your way around Jeeps that are queuing up for a rock crawling photo session. :D
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  15. OldenSlow

    OldenSlow Been here awhile

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    I feel like "Check out this Crappy Trail" could be a good photo thread.
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  16. youngan

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    Johnny Park has always been one of my favorites, on a Cagiva Elefant 900. I don't remember any particularly tricky bits, but I guess it depends on what you're looking for/expecting. I have also ridden Pole Hill. I don't remember many details on that one, as it was a while ago.
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    IN!!


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    You shoulda seen the uphill! This was really easy, super wide single track. TG on his brand new 350, breaking it in proper. Although I don't think he crashed like i did on my brand new bike!
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  18. mpatch

    mpatch Long timer

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    What I have been told by many and believe is of you want to "Dual Sport" in Colorado you need what others would consider a dirt bike (<500cc and sub 300lb). That's the main reason I sold the 950 is there just arent that many roads/trails that are doable on a big bike in these parts so you miss out on a bunch of awesome trails because you are on a pig.

    My next "dual sport" bike will be a KTM 500 or similar.
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  19. Abersouth

    Abersouth misadventurer

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    I bought a 690 for exactly that reason, weight. I can get my f800 places, and it is fun, but when I inevitably drop it, after a few times. . .:huh

    My next bike will be smaller still.
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  20. toddler

    toddler Unpronouncible

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    I like Pole Hill. It has some good loops but you have to be careful with speed as visibility around corners can get interesting. A good experienced off road rider should be fine on a big ADV bike in that area. The entrance is one of the hardest areas.

    If you found Johnny Park to be a bit much then you might want to stick to the maintained dirt roads. Johnny park is in the best shape it has ever been as far as I can tell from all the grading they have done the last two years.

    Go look at the Switzerland Trail, not much easier than that. Railroad grade and nearly goldwingable.

    Happy riding:freaky
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