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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Lapchik, Nov 10, 2020.
Change the fender, I may put a AT fender on my crf450x rally.
Cb300 recently dyno'd at 27.5 with street tire. I would be surprised if crf300 made more.
Nope...I'm out needs to be a 400cc. Come on dammit.
Are some of you guys serious? What big manufacturer lists power at the wheel in the regular specs? If they have the same engine in different bikes/cars every one would have different power at the wheel, are you just now getting into this whole motor-vehicle world?
"This motorcycle has 26.67WHP, if you grease the chain with 24g of whatever lube, and you use this exact tyre while it has this much thread life, and the contact patch on the ground is this exact surface........"
Honda CRF300 might be the closest unicorn he'll get before the electrics take over.
Unless Kawazaki pulls a KLX300S I don't see much competition in the Dual Sport segment. (sorry no dirt bikes allowed)
The closest being 20+ years carb models, sold in limited markets.
It's a 286cc motor that will make 26-27hp and 17-18lb/ft with a street tire.
That's it, take it or leave it.
Still it is enough to get it to 100mph so CRF should be good for low-mid 90s; viable option for US interstates.
Prob. not, since the WRR is the class leader in most ways.
Hopefully it would work for me; the major reason I didn't gel with my WR250R was the lack of low-RPM grunt. The WRR goes fast very well for a Japanese dual sport 250, but the powerband is too peaky for me when piddling around in the woods.
If this 300 materializes in Canada I am pretty sure I will buy one.
I for one am really interested in the 300L.
An admitted Honda fanboy and aging owner of a plated 1996 XR400 I have been anxiously awaiting big red to offer a fuel injected, 6 speed, replacement with the magic button.
Thought perhaps the 450L would be the ticket but from a price and function perspective it is way more bike than I really need.
The 250L is a great bike and I have ridden a couple of them but they left me wanting just a bit more out of the throttle.
So just for rule of thumb reference I thought I would put the published factory specs (near as I can tell anyway) in a post so they are easily referenced.
CRF 250L 317lbs, [email protected], 22nm T
CRF300L 306lbs, [email protected], 26nm T
XR400R 275lbs, [email protected], 33nm T (makes John Deer proud)
CRF450L 289lbs, [email protected], 35nm T
I suppose if I want Torque = to the XR I gotta pay dearly for it up front and in maintenance.
The 300 comes close to the mark and since my old knees cant hardly kick the XR back to life after a drop maybe a trip to the dealer is in my future.
You guys think I am expecting too much improvement over the 250?
the 300 would have a better torquecurve. that should give alittle better throttle response and alittle more umph on hills. nothing night and day i think i might like it though
I've enjoyed reading all of the info and opinions on here. Thanks guys and gals!
I think the 300L might be the next bike for me.
I'll just need to throw on a skid plate and handguards and sort out the suspension (springs and valve ought to do it) and she'll be good to go!
Perhaps a comparison to the WR250R numbers might be valuable.
Maximum power - Output - Horsepower 30.70 HP (22.4 kW)) @ 10000 RPM
Maximum torque 23.70 Nm (2.4 kgf-m or 17.5 ft.lbs) @ 8000 RPM
On street tires. Compare the torque curve shape. 8mm more of stroke does matter. Peak horsepower matters as well (especially if traveling) but most people don't spend so much time chilling at 8k rpm. The 286cc motor (300L) is worth upgrading to. Or building . It makes an excellent all around bike. I would suggest you rent or borrow one.
A 400 R!
I suppose the wet weight of the xr400r is in the low 300 lb range since you just add fuel? Is the 275 lbs with battery? Magic button is worth the extra weight. A fair comparison would be the dr350se where the wet weight is similar to the upcoming crf300l
No matter what they make,,, it will never be big enough...
The after market folks will be styling...
Lots of big bore kits too turn up the heat,,, Ha...
Stage 1,,, 2,,, and 3 will be on shelves near you...
I cant wait too build a 100 or 125cc unit so I can slow down... LOL
I was looking at an XT250 for my first dual sport motorcycle but this bike looks promising on paper.
I hope just hope the seat height is closer to 32 inches as in Thailand for us shorter riders but I think in the end it will be closer to the 34 inches of the current model here in the US. Seat height is important for us newer riders. That’s something the XT does well.
Fair weather rider? I guess you've never crossed the country or rode in hurricanes.. sometimes time constraints, flooding, snow, ice make you change plans.