CT to Caniapiscau

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  1. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    I am currently making plans to ride my motorcycle from CT to James Bay via the Le Route du Nord (the North road) and the James Bay road. From there using the Trans Taiga road to go to Caniapiscau in July/August/September of this year. This is approximately a 4000 Miles round trip. Tentatively I am scheduling this for the last two full weeks in August 2015 but I don’t know if July or September might even be better. I have never ridden over 180 miles (4 hours ride time) in a day so I would be planning a 600 mile weekend round trip some Saturday in June to test myself and my equipment while camping somewhere in the Montreal area Saturday night then head back to CT on Sunday.

    The appeal to me:
    On my bucket list is the plan to ride to Prudhoe bay from CT. This would be a shakedown for that eventual ride likely after retirement. I have done a lot of solo back-country camping so I like isolated areas very much.



    http://jamesbayroad.com/ttr/index.html

    Questions I have:
    For those that have done this or similar rides. What are reasonable daily average speeds on the gravel roads?
    What month would you consider to have the best travel conditions/weather?
    I am planning 14 days for this trip. Is this grossly over or underestimating the time needed?
    I am planning on camping as much as I can. From other travel reports it appears there are plenty of camping sites along the James bay road and sites on the trans-taiga. What about further south? Between Montreal and Chibougamau? On 155 and 167. Any camping sites on those roads?

    Any other information that you think I would find useful.

    I am sure I'll have more questions as I get more information.:D

    Thanks,
    KR
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  2. Tricepilot

    Tricepilot Bailando Con Las Estrellas Super Moderator Super Supporter

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    You're not going anywhere until Connecticut's 15 feet of snow melts away :deal

    But hop on it when it does!

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  3. Merlin III

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    Do you have the proposed trip mapped out?
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  4. tedmarshall

    tedmarshall Been here awhile

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    KR: I did the trip you speak of about 7-8 years ago. A great group of riders in Quebec let me tag along. Go on the Al Gore (inter webs) and look up ride reports by a fella named Socrate.

    Some random thoughts:
    --off-road riding experience essential.
    --bike choice essential
    --bike prep essential
    --sat fone critical.
    4 of our guys didn't finish. 3 rode overloaded BMW GSA's. The Cree people flew one guy out to Montreal because he'd suffered a serious concussion. His bike was trash. A 2d rider went off on a curve and broke his leg. Ambulance took him to the infirmary at the Hydro Dorm near the end of the Trans-Taiga.
    The 3d rider was a tuff old bird, I watched him drift down into the soft shoulder where eh list the front and tumbled off. Just scratches.

    If it hadn't been for one of us bringing a sat fone the concussed guy might have died. He tried to cross the grader berm (do your research).

    Now that we have that out of the way.

    The Route Du Nord was the nastiest haul road I've done. Far gnarlier than the Trans-Lab or even the Trans-Taiga itself. But remote! Didn't see one person/vehicle.

    The weather was invigorating. I took the most wonderful nap,under a road side shelter during a brief sudden thunder-storm.

    Watched Ospreys play fighting in the sky.
    Had an arctic fox come right up to me
    The La Grand River system is likely the biggest river no-one has ever heard of. And that is what those roads were built.

    The hunting lodge where you gas up at intersection of James Bay and TT is a cool place. Nice people and great I mean great breakfast buffet.

    Due to the taiga landscape when you climb a ridge or outcrop you can actually see the curvature of the earth as you look,east and north near the end of the road.

    The camping was fab.

    This was probably my favorite adventure trip.

    Generally the guys with lighter, more dirt-purposes bikes did better.

    A big single DS would be perfect. With good wheels and true knob lies.

    I think I listed a ride report on here somewhere.

    Good Luck,

    Ted.
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  5. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    This is not set in stone. For now it is a living document.


    Day 1: 4h 31m 301 mi


    Day 2 : 6h 58min 361 mi
    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/H%C3%B4tel+Le+Pr%C3%A9sident+4+****/R%C3%A9serve+Faunique+Ashuapmushuan,+Kilom%C3%A8tre+33,+route+167+C.+P.+40,+La+Dor%C3%A9,+QC+G8J+1Y4,+Canada/@47.3920436,-73.1769037,8z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x0:0xd02bc18f32fa4a44!2m2!1d-71.954913!2d45.39295!1m5!1m1!1s0x4ce9e0111b08ef93:0xe6ffdd539d727959!2m2!1d-73.51251!2d49.078859!4e1





    Day 3 : 10h 7min : 345 mi
    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/R%C3%A9serve+Faunique+Ashuapmushuan,+Kilom%C3%A8tre+33,+route+167+C.+P.+40,+La+Dor%C3%A9,+QC+G8J+1Y4,+Canada/51.4940168,-77.4267337/@50.1039988,-75.4278661,8z/data=!4m15!4m14!1m10!1m1!1s0x4ce9e0111b08ef93:0xe6ffdd539d727959!2m2!1d-73.51251!2d49.078859!3m4!1m2!1d-75.3667915!2d51.2398107!3s0x4ce304f889d0fee1:0x194c1f9ac7f9a7d5!1m0!3e0!4e1





    Day 4 : 5hr 16min : 232mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/51.872192,-77.397274/53.7956691,-79.0297398/@53.0446112,-77.6598118,9z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en



    Day 5 : 8hr 15min : 265mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.7956691,-79.0297398/53.6601966,-73.8091038/@52.8468377,-76.2810276,8z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en



    Day 6 : 9hr 57min : 239mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.6601966,-73.8091038/54.8345627,-69.8707908/@53.9183777,-71.7591524,8z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en



    Day 7 : 9hr 57min : 239mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.8345627,-69.8707908/53.6601966,-73.8091038/@54.2291645,-74.2046961,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en



    Day 8 : 7hr 45min : 296mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.6601966,-73.8091038/52.0001615,-77.2970683/@52.477452,-76.2489041,8z/data=!4m3!4m2!3e0!4e1?hl=en



    Day 9 : 10hr 2min : 347mi

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/52.0001615,-77.2970683/49.4112184,-74.1244639/@50.7822395,-75.2508062,8z/data=!4m10!4m9!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-75.1662728!2d50.8451364!3s0x4ce396e50dc35159:0x56ea9d1e4b6a4d03!1m0!3e0!4e1?hl=en



    Day 10 : 7hr 7min : 320mi
    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/49.4112184,-74.1244639/46.7370178,-73.0432294/@48.044603,-73.6087148,8z/data=!4m3!4m2!3e0!4e1?hl=en




    Day 11 : 5hr 51min : 310mi
    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/46....253679,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!4m2!3e0!4e1?hl=en



    Day 12 : 3hr 17min : 196mi


    KR
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  6. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    Thanks Ted.

    I'll try to answer some of the questions.

    I have had some off road experience. Not a lot, but almost all of it with this bike.

    My bike is a BMW 2014 F700GS. I have equipped it with lexan light guard. Radiator guard, Touratech zeta pro panniers. Lower engine guard, upper engine guard. Heidenau K60 front and back. Double take mirrors. I have a Garmin GPS62 and other electronics.

    Instead of a sat phone I have both and inReach and Spot. I am thoroughly familiar with the Spot and getting more familiar with the inReach. I have done a lot of back-country camping almost always solo so I have some good camping skills.

    Thanks again Ted. I will look up and read that report.

    KR
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  7. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    That is a vicious lie. There is no 15 feet. Its more like 5 - 8. :rofl

    KR

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  8. NJ-Bill

    NJ-Bill Life is good Supporter

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    Sounds fun. Think I'll follow this thread.

    Are you set on doing this solo?
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  9. Merlin III

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    Won't he need extra fuel capacity?
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  10. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    I have the ability to carry two 2 gallon rotopax containers. I normally get 59 miles per gallon. I don't know what I will get loaded down but I am estimating 50 miles per gallon for now. That is one of the things I hope the trip to Montreal tells me.

    KR
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  11. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    I think I am. I have some friends here at work that also ride. They have done Alaska to Prudoe bay, one drove from VT. And we have ridden on some trail rides together with our DS bikes. A couple of them are really good trail riders. They are a great group of guys but, I think this one I am doing alone. I want the freedom to go whatever speed I think I need to, stop and rest or stop for the day whenever I want to and the camping option, etc. Failure is an option in the sense that this is what I would call an attempt, though it is going to be a very earnest attempt. Caniapiscau will always be there. I can always try it again if I don't succeed this time. It is the journey in this case, not necessarily the destination.

    I have a wonderful wife and two boys that have grown into good men. I'm 58 this year and want some time to think. What I want to get out of this is some adventure. To see some lightly touched land that I haven't been to. I am usually spending time in the White mountains or the Adirondacks. I love the wilderness areas. The White mountains have very few roads and an area the size of the state of RI. It's great and only a few hours away. I can't imagine what this area in Canada must be like.

    KR
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  12. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    http://www.jamesbayroad.com/ttr/caniapiscau/index.html
    http://www.sdbj.gouv.qc.ca/en/territoire_baie_james/conditions_routieres

    Try the above siteS for some details.
    The TransTaiga verges on being impossible for a solo motorcycle traveler. In 2014 availability of feul was very sparse and beyond the range of most motorcycles unless they have a chase team hauling gas in a truck.
    It is a private Quebec Hydro road where public travel is permitted but they may deny entry if they feel you are ill prepared or if conditions are risky. As noted the quality of road surface can vary , especially if it rains a lot.
    Last year June I rode the KLR up the James Bay highway and took the Route du Nord loop on the return .
    I only entered the Trans Taiga for a short bit just to see some of it, but with no desire to run out of gas .
    The JBH was good but asphalt is beginning to show age , bumps and longitudinal creases opening in some sections.
    The Trans Taiga was in excellent well groomed state and feul is available at the Hydro Quebec work camp about 100 km from the JBH. Fill up at the Relais 381 as you go south then fill up again at the HQ CAMP relais and you should be good to reach CHIBOUGAMAU .Travelling in the other direction the same feul stops apply of course.
    AS to the season you pick, Ipersonally would be loath to try it again in September as I once did. It is getting late in the season and it is far north. It will most likely be chilly or bloody cold and miserable on a bike. Mid-
    June was nice but I was just a week after the leaves had come out. I would not want to be earlier.To me July and August would be the prime time time, .Forget the horror stories about the mosquitos and black flies. Bring a mosquito net hat, apply lots of DEET insect repellent and keep moving .
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    no fuel on the TT in August? Nouchimi, Mirage, and Air Saguenay have all gone out of business?
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    I believe I used the 6 gallon Safari tank on my KTM LC4 and carried the 2 gallon rotopax. Overkill. Longest stretch was 200 miles plus.

    The 700 BMW sounds perfect.
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  15. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    Thanks for the information. I hadn't seen one of those sites. Very useful information.

    I am thinking late August but I am starting to think late July might be better. Warmer, but I am guessing it might also be rainier. Already have plenty of DEET and a mosquito net. :lol3

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    new moons around 15ths of july/aug. if you want to observe auroras...
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    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    Outstanding idea. I wanted to keep that in mind and actually it fell off my list. Thanks for the reminder.

    Also, a note to others camping in areas away from city lights and having great views of the nighttime sky. There is a website:

    http://heavens-above.com/

    Allows you to know when, what and where satellites are crossing the sky. It is great way to spend some of the night watching those satellites cross the sky.

    KR
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    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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