CX 650 Custom/ Stupid is as stupid dose ... till it's black and blue

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by waylongway, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Well...... It's to late for that. heres my other 30 year old lump.

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    And no its not a Ninja power but the shaved heads, porting ,new valves ,guides,lightened flywheel,polished crank can trick you into thinking it was worth it. :lol3

    truth is I can't leave much of anything the way it was.... And I'm here now ,and chances are I won't be be back this way,
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    It"s not like my bemmer and I'll always be working on it..:lol3
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  2. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Progress Big time!!!:clap

    I got the pivot pins back from the machinist .he cut it down and re tooled it.

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    now we see how it fits?

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    As you can see it's off by 3/8 to the shaft....
    On the 500 frame they cut the cross tubes of the main down tube but the way this frame is and what I have done to it just need to cut the bottom one..
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    this ones for you Larryboy..:freaky

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    Not much left :eek1
    Now a pvc pipe for now and a 3/8 spacer to the motor..

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    Hey Look It fits!

    Now for the real test....

    The rear wheel,
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    AWSOME!!! The wheel lines up!!
    I got to say up to this point this was the one thing that weighed on me .....
    I could fix the rest but if this wheel did not line up? I was screwed :kboom

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    When I get it in the frame jig I will be able to tell better,But I'am very happy tonight. :D

    P.S. More new parts and the first hint of BLUE.

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  3. larryboy

    larryboy Stable genius.

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    Nicely done!!

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  4. Marco Moto

    Marco Moto Voyager

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    Loving this build, keep up the good work!
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  5. drhach

    drhach We can't stop here, this is bat country!! Supporter

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    The CX650 is a pretty competent bike given what it is. You may be pleasently surprised. I've never ridden a 500 so I don't have that to compare. But I would take a 650 in a heart beat. An all around solid bike that holds its own even at highway speeds.
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  6. Ed_in_miami

    Ed_in_miami Cubicle Traveler

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    Very very very nice!!
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    I wish I'd kept my old CX500...
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  7. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Thanks for all the positive comments guys!!
    I will keep trying :pynd
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  8. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Ok ,, one step forward one step back.Had to get a new headpiece and take to my machinist...That old lathe is just to sloppy..No biggie,I think making progress is knowing when to farm things out..We like progress :deal

    More bits...Got some DOM 1 1/8 stock for the bottom cross tube, Of course nothing is the right size .Stock is 28mm tube is 27mm So I will drill this out on the lathe and take the skin off and it should slip in and really stiffen that up

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    One foot + 7.50$ cut charge and few sanding bits and 31$ later :cry
    One thing I have learned doing stuff like this is you can not care about the money..Keep focused on the goal.....Being Stupid :lol3


    More things to figure out... The space on the left side is too much for the pin
    I think another lock nut on the inside and fill the inside thread ring with a spacer that i will have mike (machinist) make and then weld the out side of it..

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    I think I could mig fill it ,I just don't think thats a good idea..:nono
    This is known weak spot,There is not much thread to hang on to, so this will need special attention.....In the means of aluminum frame stiffeners ..:evil

    More on that later ...

    Tool making ....:clap
    Been trying to get to this so I can go back to the salvage yard and get more pivot lock nuts ..They sell one on e-bay for 35$ but not doing that...

    Looks like a 24mm impact will be the victim. just a hair smaller .


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    Marking ,cutting, Marking ,cutting

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    it's a hack job but it will do the trick..Not as easy as you might think. :getiton

    Lets do some fun stuff!! :clap

    I worked on the fork Trees last night and put the Everbright on them..

    Remember what they looked like before ??

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    Lots of grinding, sanding, some scotch brite and 000 steel wool and they look like this...:brow

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    Not to much just enough to give them a raw metal feel with some patina..
    Like they have been on the bike for years.........

    One more to get the full effect,But it looks kinda funky just by themselves:huh


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  9. Nixels

    Nixels Face fears - live life

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    Man, this is fun! :clap :clap :clap

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  10. larryboy

    larryboy Stable genius.

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    What are you looking at for the wheelbase?

    Carb cleaner will clean aluminum parts like magic, I did some ebay triple trees awhile back, from nasty to new in 5 minutes. :deal


    Looking at those cool rotors on the front end reminds me of a Goldwing swingarm and final drive with the huge rotor, they're super cheap because the take them off for trike conversions.
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  11. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    54-55?? 24 rake? will have to play with it...

    Carb cleaner ,Really ? That sounds waaaay to EASY .:lol3
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  12. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    lATHE ON!
    Remember the solid stock from last night ?

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    Lets make our own tube...:evil Polit to keep it straight

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    And then the big guns..:gun2

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    I think its Hot..

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    Two and a half hours later.
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    It was a pain to get the right out side dimension.. Had to make it fat ,skinny ,fat and use a file to get it just right or I couldn't get it on and off..Stupid

    This is fun Right? When do we get to the lipstick and makeup part? :toney

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    See...
    Then we head to Wayne's (cycle Salvage) Great guy! To use the tool..He says sure take what you need, Can't wait to see this one !
    I have known Wayne sense the SR 500 days,I should have got a picture of him and all the bikes...Next time.:D

    The BOOTY !

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    And more new parts!! swingarm bearing kit for the NTV 650 swingarm.

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    So here is some FYI for you If you live in the soviet state of CA.
    Wayne called me yesterday and said in all the stuff I gave him was the emission sticker from the airbox and said that some guys have had problems with DMV and out of the system builds and special construction builds with no sticker :huh
    Nothing special here..:rofl

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    The cut off is 79 I think he said...Mine was non opped so I'm all good. When I got it, we go straight to DMV and put in in my name so we know its real...:deal
    Good to know!
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  13. flemsmith

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    Wow, you really took on a big project, I admire anyone who goes after frame alterations and makes the finished bike look like it belongs.
    Thanks for letting us watch along the way.

    Still enjoy seeing your Guzzi. Clearly you have a good eye.

    roy
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  14. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Hey Roy,

    Still love your bike! Looks like a REAL rider.Glad it all worked out. :clap

    Ya, a little nuts O,but after the Guzzi it feels good to to be free with no lines to stay in....
    :loco

    The bike is all done in my mind....:lol3
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  15. redprimo

    redprimo Been here awhile

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    So here is some FYI for you If you live in the soviet state of CA.
    Wayne called me yesterday and said in all the stuff I gave him was the emission sticker from the airbox and said that some guys have had problems with DMV and out of the system builds and special construction builds with no sticker :huh
    Nothing special here..:rofl

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    The cut off is 79 I think he said...Mine was non opped so I'm all good. When I got it, we go straight to DMV and put in in my name so we know its real...:deal
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    I nearly learned that lesson the hard way. I stripped a frame and had it powder coated with hammertone powder which is a bit heavy and it mostly filled in the vin #. I thought I was going to have to strip off a patch of the powder to get it registered. Turned out the bike was no oped by the prevoius owner so It was a simple title transfer followed by tags once the build was done. From now on I'll be registering any future builds before any work starts.

    I missed out on a decet running cx500 for $700 a month ago because I coudn't decide if thats what I wanted for my next build. seeing your thread is making me wish had snapped it up.
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  16. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    For sure...Like I said, DMV first!
    I bought a 70 bronco one time and the guy said it was all good...OK follow me to dmv and I will give you the cash. 240$ in fines on his side later,I bought it.:norton
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  17. waylongway

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    After work I take the new lock nuts I got from Wayne and decide to weld them to the inside of the frame pivot pins..
    Like you see in this picture on the right side .

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    We use the extra pins to hold them and fill in the recess......
    Now as you may know when you double nut something ,especially when it fine thread like this .it is very tricky to not lock up the pin (bolt).:knary

    I tac and check tac and check making sure the pin dose not lock up...:knary

    I weld it up and and go home....
    Looks like this.

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    Not the prettiest weld I have done. I was so.. focused on NOT getting into the threads ...Very scary .

    As you can see..now we have 1 1/4 thread on one side and 1 5/8s with the out side lock nut on the other side...:D
    much better.

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    Now we go to see how it fits, I put every thing in line..Its kinda tricky to get it all in there. Mostly because of no dust seal on the swing-arm bearings..And they keep falling out..

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    Get it in and start to turn the pins in..Right on first,It goes but not all the way. :ddog
    In, out,In, out. Ok back out .I find a small tit on the right pin..Fix that ,back in.
    No go.Take all of it back out to see whats up?:hmmmmm

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    Not sure if the nut shrank when it cooled down or what? It worked fine at work??

    So I spend the next 1/2 hour with thread cutting oil..In and out ,In and out..
    Being very scared ,trying not to gall or bind the threads.Telling my self DO NOT fuck the threads up!,NOT fuck the threads up! :knary

    Little bit,back it out clean,more oil,little bit,clean.more oil. Finally I get it to run smooth and put it back together ..:clap

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    Man I'm wore out...I need a cup of coffee :freaky

    On a lighter note...remember the offering to the bike Gods??
    A week later...:shog


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    that's guna leave a mark.
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  18. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Finally got the main tube for the frame! $49 from before. Some more steel for the frame jig $53, Welding gas $45. But none of that counts right? :lol3

    Start to do something with the back side of the frame cradle ..I'm sure you were saying (what ya gonna do with that?) Ugly...

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    Some guys have used this back part for the foot pegs but that would be to easy. So off they come...

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    And more frame cleanup..:photog

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    Now we start with 14g and slowly widdle it down..

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    Inside...

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    Trim,Trim,

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    First side with the TIG..

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    Now I will tell you that I have been welding most of my life , but I'm no welder :lol3

    Say what you want and watch all the YouTube videos you want , as they sit in this perfect chair with perfect pieces to weld .In the real world with crapy metal and contaminants and no way to hold the peace its HARD!!:dog

    It dose not help when you are all shaky like me, just about the time you get going good you stick the tungsten or the rod in the puddle and need to regrind the tip for the umpteen time!!

    So we getter done. This will be covered up later .:brow
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    Then I switch to a silicon bronze rod to do the big fill ,kinda like brazing .

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    Do some clean up grinding, we like grinding,:clap
    And it looks like this with a shock off a 989 duck I think. :eek1

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    Do ya SEE IT?:webers

    Crap! Sill gotta do the other side%$#@&*
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  19. larryboy

    larryboy Stable genius.

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    Offset shock, we need that center space for the turbo. :deal


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  20. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Ya ,Thanks for trowing me off track Larryboy.:muutt
    There was one on E-bay that night in Hawaii of all places ,all rusted it went for $270 I think....Still stuck in my mind.:norton

    Thanks for the help!
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