CX 650 Custom/ Stupid is as stupid dose ... till it's black and blue

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by waylongway, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. waylongway

    waylongway madmax Supporter

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    Why funny that you asked :huh
    I was saving some of that for later, But here's the jest of it...

    The guy in the UK said he used the NTV drive line w/the front cx knuckle...
    Which I'm sure would work ..

    The drive shaft off of the custom fits right in (some things about a Honda are great) With only a 1/8 inch of slop at the motor shaft :D

    Just need to play with it some more to make sure the knuckle is in the right place...

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  2. waylongway

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    As some of you may know we are having a little storm here on the west coast...:permazot
    I drive to work (barely) And boss calls it.. Hard to mix and pour concrete when there are 60 mph winds..:eek1

    We can't let a little mass flooding slow us down...:komet

    Head to the shop and weld up the collar..

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    All good! Next we work some leveling pads for the frame jig, we will need these later..Remember lots of things at once..:lol3

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    Now we need some bolts..:hmmmmm

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    hey look,Leveling pads...:wink:

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    Stop at the weld supply store ......


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    New tungsten and a cutting wheel $20 (stupid stuff)

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    Back home at the shop we use the little tools and clean things up...

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    Hey, I'm a better welder than I thought! :lol3 Yes no one will ever see this but I can sleep tonight...(this guy got problems) :loco

    Back to the right side bracket,,, more cleanup...


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    Weld up....:puke1

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    Clean up...I call this (acceptable) Powder coating will make it like glass..:1drink

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    back side...maybe hit this with the bronze ?

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    Ok, one more on this cold and rainy day of one of my favorite roads in the spring ...:velvt

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  3. waylongway

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    I ordered this on Nov 21 from my buddie mike69 e-bay in the UK (scotland) but some how it fell of the plane and worked its way across the US stopping at almost every state along the way..:rofl

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    lets see. :shog

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    A little dirty..
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    But fits and just what we need for NTV swingarm...:wink:


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    Will need some shoes for it too...I think I will clean it up and do a color test for the powder coat of BLUE...:uhoh

    Also sent me the wheel cap cover ..These are hard to come by ...:wink:


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    Looking for some fun stuff ,Got to thinking about the starter... So lets see what it look like?

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    I like to do a photo check of all parts before and during the take apart...

    You think you will remember how things go but you won't ...:lol3
    It is so nice to come back ,sometimes months later and look at the pictures and go HO YEAH...

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    Like I said how did the washers go??:scratch

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    So besides a little brush dust seems to be fine..We will clean and polish the shiny bits.....


    these rusted screws will not do though...:scratch

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    Looking at the motor badge ..


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    As you can see I cracked it trying to get it off before :(
    water was trapped inside not good.!

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    I try to get it off and stop myself..Not a good idea :nono

    I had this planned as soon as I cracked it so lets make our own..

    673cc GUZZAHON .:huh


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    Thats a start.....
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  4. waylongway

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    Admit it,you thought I was slackin...:1drink

    Had to buy a new shop tool box.Got tired of going to the garage for more tools.

    And had to get set up for the new FRAME JIG!:clap

    That sounds like a Stupid way to spend your sunday..:lol3


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    Tac tac, square,plum level...


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    Weld her up...

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    Set her down ,she is HEAVY....:marc


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    get it back home ,My lovely assistant will show case...


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    test fit. Mine's next....

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    My wife's a real crack up, and rider too.... She can put a 400 mile day on her f650 no problem...

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    My new score is a old drill press with a magnetic base ( on/off) the millwright was going to throw away....:eek1


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    Maybe I can rig this for my tube cuts??

    Drag her into the shop just as it stats to rain again...:puke1


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    Jerry rig up on the table ...


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    Should have made pads bigger but I get it bolted to the table.....

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    Still nedd to make the bolt down brackets...:deal

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    Hey look a degree finder....:lol3

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    Getting closer....

    Dreams of a summer day...:ricky


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    Alvord desert...
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  5. anonny

    anonny What could go wrong?

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    Cool build :clap
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    The thought may have crossed my mind.

    The wait, as always, is worth it though :thumb I very much enjoy your writing style.

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  7. waylongway

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    Thanks!
    Love the paint on the 500 :raabia
    That thing must be a snort...:p3rry
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  8. waylongway

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    Or lack of you mean..:lol3 I'm not a big paragraph kinda guy,,
    Blah,Blah,Blah, Just show me the pics ! Right ...:thumb
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  9. waylongway

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    Stay after school again, Because I feel guilty when I know bits need to be made..:lift

    Top bracket made out of 3x3 angle ...


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    The rod will go in here, be squared up and welded, then drilled out again..

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    goes on top like this..:huh



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    It can slide back and forth then you tighten the bolt to lock it down...:wink:
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    dead on....

    By accident I think I can do the bottom like this ....


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    Sorry this is so slow...:bore This top tube only thing is a bit tricky ...


    As I said before ,the new tool box...:rayof

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    Home depot ..$79 for the top box and $139 for the bottom . I think I like it better than my craftsmen ..If you are in the market?? :norton
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  10. JStory

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    Would you be so kind as to tell me what road this is? Thank You.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how your CX comes out. It's a pretty unique build. You've got me looking for a project bike.

    Nice score on the magnetic drill press. You won't use it often, but when you need it, nothing else will do.
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  11. waylongway

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    Bear ridge rd. out of Rio dell ,I think it called Merchant st on the west side of main st, just after the bridge. comes out on the Mattole rd..which most people come from Ferndale... I never go that way any more..

    If you have the time,the whole run is here....

    http://youtu.be/so8NR2tqQj4

    Let the ribbon unfold...

    My best time just under 15 min., Dam cows got in my way...:dhorse
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  12. JStory

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    Thank You. I need to spend more time up there.
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  13. Beezer

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    nice work! not sure why I haven't looked this over before, but I like it. I saw that you mentioned the cx forum so I assume you mean these guys...

    http://cx500forum.com/index.php

    they are the best of the lot & a good source of parts. as you may or may not know this series of bike is a total orphan. hate to scare ya, but any Honda parts that are still made that fit it, it's only because they fit something else. there are are no new manufacture pistons or rings for many years, and NOS is almost impossible to find. the cylinder sleeves are cast into the case and then machined for crank clearance. they would be very difficult to replace & no oversize pistons are available. I searched for a year & finally put in the best used pistons I could find. recently there are some aftermarket rings that are supposed to be good & are still available. they are on ebay, or contact Murry on the site above if you don't know him already, he will know the source. he also has a carb & mods that get rid of the rubber intakes that crack. and he has a ton of parts bikes. also, no con rod bearings and crank main bearings are very hard to find too, but that Murry guy has some of them made. the usual recommendation if you need oversize pistons, crankshaft, or bottom end bearing work is to find another engine.

    heres what I did with my broken engine plates

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    my bizarro version
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=845635&page=7&highlight=1883
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  14. waylongway

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    Yes,yes and yes...

    I have found std,1 over and 2 over pistons ,valves, guides form david spares but the pistons are all one side?
    Yes rings on e-bay or 2000 Hyundai car...I talked to Murry he said find another bike.:lol3
    I have also found main bearings but one set of different colors?

    like you say nothing is impossible...

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    I may just do a hone job w/new rings, and make my own intakes...:1drink

    Have to say wow on your bike! I thought I like to polish...:lol3

    Thanks for all the info.Now if I could just get these dam jig parts made.:kboom
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    Factory modified style.
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  16. waylongway

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    Thats COOL!
    Think those are Keihin carburetors?
    Thats got to be hard not to knock those filters off..:huh
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  17. Beezer

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    yep, and for those that don't know, the cylinders are offset to the case for routing the exhaust. thats why no other piston will work... the pistons are mirror image left & right because the dome & cutouts aren't square to the axis of the piston pin. and automotive rings (couple choices) require re-cutting the ring grooves on the OEM pistons. I used to restore vintage Brit bikes, but the CX/GL is possibly the most orphan bike I've ever worked on
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  18. bk brkr baker

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    Yep and don't know if the carbs are Kehin or Micuni.
    Young Freddie Spencer raced one of these. The motor was eventually enlarged to a full 750cc and won the 1/2 mile National in Louisville.
    The next year honda got serious and came out with the RS 750. The bike that met the mighty H-D s head on and won.

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    And the carbs and filters were much better placed.
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  19. waylongway

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    Thanks to everybody for all the info! The more I find out about this motor ,the more I like it....Stupid :nod

    Now I can't decide weather to name the bike (The Orphan) or (Satisfied ?)

    So ,The first idea is not all ways the best one..:cry I was not happy with the jig parts I made...I think I was trying to go to fast with too much Jerry :puke1

    So I have been staying after work every day to come up with better ideas....I won't bore you with all the fab work..:deal I feel much better about things now..:D

    Trying to stabilise the head set with some adjustability was a bender but I think I got...

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    This is the top piece.As you can see the tension or rod goes though the hole,but can still spin as you move the top clamp .Then tighten to lock it down..

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    same for the bottom piece...The rod will get tapped for a nut to tighten the rod .Top and bottom.


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    I will center the piece THEN weld the bottom bolt plates on with a little room for adjustment w/the lock bolts...In a groove I will cut.
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    Before I was trying to center and work out .This will be much easier :jive

    Now how are we going to get the motor to move up and down to find the right height for the forks,swingarm angle so on.... :hmmmmm

    It just came to me at work yesterday...Today we go here after work..


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    $6 a piece..

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    Then a bottom plate and a top plate...UP:thumbup

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    Down...:flush I will weld a nut on the end for the air ratchet..

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    And mate the case holes to the plate...

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    Like so...

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    With more nuts on the top side to level the motor with the peg bolts.....:wink:


    See....

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    Now ....to keep the juices flowing ,Santa said that I had been a good boy (not) working so hard and I could order some parts...:clap

    The good stuff..:wings

    Woodcraft clip ons..

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    Glass from the past....:rilla

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    Tomorrow is my last day at work for the two week break !!
    I hope to make some REAL progress over that time ...:freaky


    Back way to Denio NV...


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    Do you see them coming??
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  20. waylongway

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    Tap for the tension rod 2 nuts hole hog...$28 Are you counting ? I lost track already..:lol3


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    Remember the rusty screws on the starter?


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    I like that they sick out a bit..


    Pipe hog...

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    I do not have a tap handle big enough for the rod, so we jerry it ....

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    We tighten like so...

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    Motor lift pins...:evil

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    motor lift.....:gdog With nuts to adjust..

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