Decision time.... Africa twin vs KTM 790 adventure

Discussion in 'Parallel World (790/890)' started by scrapy, Dec 17, 2018.

  1. opanos

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    I think this is not an issue anymore...But even if it is, you can always swap the forks with a pair of 1x90 used one. AT is a quite good motorcycle, although, I think that the king of vfm right now is the new Vstrom
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  2. Newbusa

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    Exactly! Most Adv bikes are ridden 90% on the street 10% off road .if you want to ride mostly off-road you get a more dirt oriented bike like a 690 Ktm .
    All the big Adv bikes are way too heavy and big for serious off roading , light weight rules off-road that’s why a bike like the 790 and the new Yamaha 700 will sell well because they are a lot lighter than the current crop of Adv bikes.
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  3. BronNowo

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    KTM 690R definitely yes but 790R and T700 are not significantly lighter unfortunately.
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  4. Newbusa

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    I would say 50 to 60 pounds lighter than the current crop of big Adv bikes is substantial
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  5. opanos

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    i think, what he tries to say is, that despite these bikes are significantly lighter, still they are not light enough for serious off road riding...
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  6. Newbusa

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    I agree but, but if you want a Adv bike that is road capable and comfortable with good range these bikes are really as light as you can make them.
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  8. Deliverator

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    To me the AT and the 790 are both good looking and I am surprised by this comment. Whenever I mention the 790 to one of my street bike buddies, ticking off all of the mechanical pluses in comparison to my current ride, the first thing they say to me after looking at it on line is what a cool-looking bike it is. I mean, to the point of absurdity it seems to me.

    The new Tenere seems to be in the same category as the 790 and AT, but are we transgressing by bringing it up in this thread? Anyway, I found a wet weight figure of 452 lbs. but the tank looks high, 72 hp. It's supposed to be in the USA toward the end of the year.
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  9. jnberr0

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    I thought the 700 Tenere was showing up stateside mid to late NEXT year, no?
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  10. Deliverator

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    Hi scrapy. I was very much invested in the AT and in one of my earlier posts I outline my impressions and concerns after renting one for a day's ride. Here's something I can add to that that might be useful to you:

    At the end of my first day of riding on a manual AT I was on a two-lane coastal road feeling pretty beat and headed back. I was surprised to find the road closed and the detour seemingly directly over a coast range "peak" of 784 m. I am maybe less than an intermediate level rider and no road racer. This was not an alpine road, but it was nothing but switchbacks heading up a steep grade. A series sharp turns back and forth, more than 20 I would guess, throwing the bike around one turn and then it seemed immediately the other way for what seemed like 20 minutes. I was not setting the speed record, but no one was stuck behind me either. The AT was confidence inspiring at all times and I would have no concerns with its performance on mountain roads at higher elevations as they are known to me in the USA, however I was solo without luggage at the time.
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  11. JohnnyWaffles

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    Latest on T7 as of last week is 2021 in US
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  12. jdub

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    Really?????

    Two local dealers (in PA and MD) show 790 Adventures (both standard and R) in stock right now. I plan on seeing them in person on Friday.
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  13. chippertheripper

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    I’m certain he meant t7.
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    Yes. Three hours sleep. I'll edit that post!
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    One thing that interests me is how these bikes are 2 up on and off road vs the 990. The 690 is definitely out. How much room is there for the passenger?
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    I have both the AT and 790R. Night and day differences as suspected by most previous posts. AT is more comfortable on road with better wind protection. 790 funner with way better power to weight ratio determined even before I am out of break in mode. 790 feels lighter and definitely a rawer dirt bike feel that is what I personally want. I got it mainly because I could not pick up the AT when falling over on a down hill slant. ATs are way cheaper if you don't mind a new bike a few years old.
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  17. turbofan790

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    There absolutely is a comparison between these two bikes. All your arguments center around the fact that the AT has a bit more low end torque than the 790. Why is performance below 3k rpm such a huge deal killer to you? The 790 still makes plenty of power at and below 3k to be useful in the dirt, while also being far more maneuverable. You're centering every single thing on the fact that the AT makes more low end torque... it's truly silly.

    You continue to talk about things being facts when it's actually your preference. How often are you going WOT below 4k rpm?

    Nah, you wouldn't cuz they're still not available. Will be interested to see US pricing (I didn't see which country you're in, but they're not out anywhere yet, much longer wait for USA).

    Yet when you take the AT off road, it's heavier, less maneuverable, and has worse suspension than even the base model 790.

    You give all that up for a few more lb ft at low revs lol it's gotta be a troll.
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  18. BronNowo

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    How often? all the time dude! you never ridden obviously off-road, single track, technical terrain where crawling between 2-4k rpm is normal.
    Whether you like it or not fact is 790R engine is a street bike tuned a bit whereas AT engine is made as dual sport from ground up. You don't get it and blindly defending KTM it's your problem kid.
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  19. turbofan790

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    I think you missed something. How often do you go WIDE OPEN THROTTLE under 3k rpm off road? Never felt the need to go WOT (wide open throttle) crawling over rocks under 3k rpm. The whole reason I'm under 3k rpm is because I'm going slowly. Either bike, at that RPM, will easily spin the tire if whacked wide open. On the road, or at higher speeds, run the 790 a gear lower and you've got all the power on tap you could possibly use off road.

    You accuse me of blindly defending KTM, yet you have completely written off the 790 because it's down a few ft lb at low revs. You're not making any sense.

    The AT is a great bike. They're both great bikes, and I definitely considered the AT - have always been a Honda guy when it comes to bikes. I just think it's absurd that you make statements like "the two are not at all comparable" and ridiculous assertions like that. They absolutely are comparable, closely.
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  20. zoo

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    Wasn't long ago, with the release of the honda AT into the markets, people used terms like lighter, slimmer, more manageable, smaller disp. to justify why the new AT was the bike of choice over the other big disp adventure/touring bikes. Now 2 companies have released amazing new bikes, T7 and 790. They have better suspension, light, more manageable, more power per weight. If we use the same logic that many here used few years back then both these bikes would be a better choice would they not?
    Now all of a sudden there's talk put into rating these bikes like how are they 2 up??? I've never seen a review or comparison with these big disp. bikes that ever really included who's best on the street and 2 up. Now all of a sudden its out there. All they have down is shoved these huge bikes at as in their marketing as off road weapons. Guess not no more eh.
    These 2 bikes are different, they are for 1 up, more aggressive adventure riding. We have been waiting for bikes of such.
    I do not want a bike that weights over 500lbs, needs different tires put on immediately to compete in a review. I want what many others want, faster, better off road adventure bikes.
    But there is a lot of entertainment surrounding the debates and marketing of these bikes, especially now with bikes coming on scene that beat them hands down at their own game.
    Make an AT with only 700cc, dirt tires, Front suspension that doesn't crap out around 10000km, with better electronic's and then compare. Right now I do not see anything competing with the likes of these new bikes. But if so, lets put klr's and DR's into it.