Dual cooling fans? 950 ADV

Discussion in 'Dakar champion (950/990)' started by Rapid Dog, May 19, 2009.

  1. mookymoo

    mookymoo Mookish Mook

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    Nope. Unless youre already drawing heavily on the electrical system.
  2. mookymoo

    mookymoo Mookish Mook

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    Did you have it overheating a lot before that?
    Overheating means all 7 bars flashing...

    I know that even with the 2nd fan, its still possible to overheat the bike in the right conditions (pyns bike did it in the african sand...).
    But the riding conditions you mention above ... I wouldnt have expected to overheat the bike...

    The only time my bike has overheated was (ironically) just after I installed the 2nd fan. I didnt know it at the time, but the reason for my situation was nothing to do with the conditions. My problem was that my coolant level was really low.
  3. mookymoo

    mookymoo Mookish Mook

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    You shouldnt need to chop anything. Just remove the rectangular shroud.
    I fit an EXC fan to mine - 2nd-hand, looked just like yours.
  4. kizniche

    kizniche pyro

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    It hasn't overheated a lot, but as I've said previously, it's a pain when it does and I have to wait for it to cool down to ride again. Also, It's usually in extremely hot weather when moving is the only thing on my mind. When it happens I can feel a negative change in how the engine performs. I'm still and will always be considering the effectiveness of this system, and will alter it if needed.
  5. Trailtwister

    Trailtwister To the peak!

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    That's a good question.

    My pal's 990 has a different type of front radiator protector than my 06 950. The 990 is more like vanes, like a regular dirtbike, but the 950 is sheetmetal with punched holes.

    I wonder if the thermostat, temperature fan switch, water pump are the same part numbers... I'll do a little checking and report back to yous.

    BTW, sometimes my overtemp light comes on and the fan is not on!! WTF? Obviously the temp sensor and the fan switch are mounted at different places, but they should play together more nicely.

    Also, bleeding the air out seems important. I bled the air from the cooling system per the owner's manual. Then rode the bike and it boiled over. The catch bottle still had coolant above the min line, but it seemed to overheat more easily. Bled the air again. It required a lot of coolant to displace the trapped air, like 12 ounces!

    So it seems if it boils, ya can't just add coolant. Gotta bleed the air too.

    What say the Collective?
  6. Trailtwister

    Trailtwister To the peak!

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    KTM seems to change the PN for all years when new parts are released. For example, the front shroud PN is the same between the '05 and the '09. But my 05 definitely looks different than the picture. Also most of the descriptions include " '03 ".

    Anybody have an original paper parts manual for an 03 - 06 950? Here's the '09 and '05 PNs from AllAmerican KTM. They're all the same:

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  7. SS in Vzla.

    SS in Vzla. Totally Normal? I'm not!

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    From your description, it seems your 06 950 has the KTM Hard Parts Rad Protector http://www.ktmtwins.com/950adventure/60035040100.html instead of the OEM plastic one... Someone must have swapped it somewhere down the bike's life.
  8. Trailtwister

    Trailtwister To the peak!

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    Ahh, good eye. Hopefully better than the plastic one.

    Still curious if KTM changed any of the cooling system parts from '05 to '09 or '10.
  9. mookymoo

    mookymoo Mookish Mook

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    Yes, the impeller and housing have changed in '09.
    There are some posts on here about it here with some comparison pics.
  10. killurtv

    killurtv free range moron

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    My Bike over heated in the Nevada desert this September, temps in the 90's with lots of hill climbing at speeds in the 20-30 mph range. I actually "cooked" the oil, took the filter out and it was like "pudding" on the filter. Upon closer inspection of the bike I found that a mouse had built a nest around my air filter restricting air flow! Strange thing was though, the bike never got above 5 bars on the temp gauge!!! I am going for the dual fans and checking my air box more often when out on trips!! Thanks for all the great info and pics!!:clap
  11. Bronco3738

    Bronco3738 Mike

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    I don't think that "pudding" is from overheating. Sounds more like your water pump is going. Extreme overheating results in black oil. Pudding as you state is usually water in oil.
  12. Autostream

    Autostream Long timer

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    I agree, sounds like the dreaded "spooge" due to water pump failing to me.

    If it was getting hot enough to cook the oil and the dual fans were going to help then your temp guage would have been getting much higher than 5.

    5 is just normal temp.
  13. catalina38

    catalina38 Long timer

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    Temps in the 90's, slow speeds, climbing hills, fan coming on and it never got above 5 bars?
    Sounds like your cooling system is working perfectly. Excerpt for the water in the oil part:huh
  14. killurtv

    killurtv free range moron

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    This is what I thought as well, but when I got back from the trip (rented u-haul to get bike back) I did not have time to look into it myself so I dropped bike off at the dealer, told him my thoughts, water in the oil, he dug into it and said no sign of water. I have been riding it hard since then and it is fine so far, but I am paranoid about the water pump, I have 24,000 miles on the bike, so it is getting rebuilt this winter.
  15. brewer90

    brewer90 Been here awhile

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    This heat wave has my fan running more than ever in stop and go traffic so I did a search and ran across this thread. I found a guy on ebay selling the SPAL pull fans in this thread for $38 shipped which is about $25 less than any other place I found. I bought mine on Tuesday and received it on Friday. Brand new. I don't know him but thought I'd pass on the info in case anyone else stuck in hell is thinking about this mod.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190557264240&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AOC%3AUS%3A1123
  16. dad2bike

    dad2bike Retired! Cranky Old Fart Supporter

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    I think that's the seller I got mine from long ago. Glad to see they are available again. :clap
  17. Uller

    Uller Done with this BS

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    Thanks for the link! :clap
  18. Grayjet

    Grayjet Ride on! Supporter

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    Thanks for the link, Brewer. I just received mine and plan to add this to my new-to-me 990. I have a question about the wiring, though. Where are you guys tapping into the bike's harness? Downstream of the left side fan plug? That seems to be what Pyndon alluded to in his post, but I am not sure. I assume there is enough current flowing through that plug to run both fans without issue. True? Wiring just isn't my gig.

    Thanks for any help you can provide (and any pics!).
    Lance
  19. bikyto

    bikyto Dans le doute...gaz!

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    Sorry no pix right now but yes you can tap into the left one. Works just fine!
  20. SS in Vzla.

    SS in Vzla. Totally Normal? I'm not!

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    That's where I wired mine. Been working perfectly for over a year.