Ducati vs Triumph- Scrambler

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by MotoJedeye, May 1, 2015.

  1. MotoJedeye

    MotoJedeye C'mon Guy

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    Hey Riders,

    In this video, I compare the Ducati against the Triumph that I tested, I also discuss what I call the "fun factor" and talk about the Scrambler "hype/craze" of 2015. Location takes place in Carmel, Pebble Beach, and Monterey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G1ayTu79bE&feature=youtu.be

    Comments are appreciated.
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  2. thegreyman

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  3. tangerine

    tangerine Been here awhile

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    Very good video, but can you resume it here in a few words too? (for those who are not native speakers, its better to understand)
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  4. soldierguy

    soldierguy Been here awhile

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    I haven't finished watching the video yet, but so far so good. I'm definitely interested in watching the rest of it and your other videos on the Scrambler...it's a possible addition to the garage at some point in the future.

    By the way, you are in my backyard! I live in PG, and have recognized everything in your video. Kinda fun seeing it on youtube.

    Cheers!
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  5. MotoJedeye

    MotoJedeye C'mon Guy

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    Sweet man! PM if you want more details or if you wanna go for a ride.
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  6. MotoJedeye

    MotoJedeye C'mon Guy

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    Sure thing.

    Ducati
    Pros:
    -Its lightweight and that results in a well handling bike that very is fun to ride. The lightness of the bike translates to a very effortless ride.
    - The looks ( subjective) when I first saw the looks online.. I wasn't a big fan. However seeing it in person- it's spot on.

    Cons:
    -The size ( subjective) I'm 5'10 and the bike is a bit low to the ground. I wish it were 1 or 1.5 inches taller.

    Triumph Scrambler
    Pros:
    - Great fit and finish.
    - has the right looks

    Cons:
    - The engine--its a PIG ( that means slow and cumbersome). In regards to engine performance it just doesn't compete with the Ducati.

    Conclusion:

    Why even consider the Triumph Scrambler when you can get the Ducati Scrambler.
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  7. soldierguy

    soldierguy Been here awhile

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    I'm out of town this weekend, but on the way out we are stopping by the Ducati dealer in Sunnyvale...found out that they are hosting a Ducati Experience day Friday through Sunday, so we are swinging by there. Hopefully we can get some seat time...maybe the Scrambler and the Hyperstrada.

    But it'd be great to meet up and do some riding.:D
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  8. Maxacceleration

    Maxacceleration Off the grid

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    The Triumph Scrambler owner is not concerned about ultimate speed. The Triumph goes good enough.
    And the Duc Scrambler will never have the cool retro looks/appeal - its just a glorified GT1000 (not a stunner looks-wise)

    But the Duc will always have the lighter weight and more performance the the T Scrambler.

    Its just where you are at in life.
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  9. VikB

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    The D Scram also has ABS which is a worthwhile upgrade and pretty much expected if you are dropping $10K on a new bike. :evil
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  10. MotoJedeye

    MotoJedeye C'mon Guy

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    Different strokes for different folks. I do like the Triumphs looks ( guilty as charged). But riding it.. it wasnt for me.
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    danketchpel Long timer

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    Having ridden the Triumph and sat on the Ducati I'd 2nd this assessment.

    I think personally find the Classic the most appealing, though not super crazy about the seat. When I sat on it at the show I thought about 1.5 - 2.0" taller would be better and maybe lower slightly more forward bars to open up the ergos a bit. It feels very small when you sit on it. For reference I'm a very average 5' 9" around 200 lbs.

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    That given I do think there's a good chance I'd opt for one over the Triumph and rework what's needed to get it setup for me. I love the Triumph but man..... they need to do something about that wheezy feeling engine and maybe drop some weight. I also was no fan of the high pipes in terms of actually riding the bike. They bow your right leg out a lot and made my wife's leg pretty warm.

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    I was close to buying the Triumph with the idea of changing to a low 2:1 pipe and dumping some $$$ into waking up the engine.
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  12. BobcatSig

    BobcatSig They call me... Huckajawea

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    Except it's nothing like a GT1000. Different frame and different engine. I guess they both air-cooled and made by Ducati?
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  13. Maxacceleration

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    Yup, yet both quirky (ergos), sorta ugly, something only a mother could love.
    Not styling winners, either of them. I'm over Ducati lust. JMHO.
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  14. danketchpel

    danketchpel Long timer

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    Styling aside, I think it's good that Ducati tossed a pretty good performer (decent power & light weight into the ring consisting of mostly mild performance bikes (let's consider the Guzzi V7 conversion as a contender).

    I'm hoping it will spur more development from the other companies, Triumph included. Triumph created the classic twin line some time ago and mostly sat on their hands ever since.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the bikes a lot and would like to see them further developed.

    I was real close to buying a Thruxton after moving on from the Scrambler. I rented one and put 250 miles on it. After that I reflected seriously on what it was going to take to get it where I wanted. I cast about for options and ended up with Ducati Sport Classic instead. It was already past where I would take the Thruxton, stock, and had a nice 6 spd trans I could never get with the Thruxton.

    I'd love to see Triumph evolve these bikes with uprated R versions.

    I finally did buy a Triumph, a very nice 2002 Speed Triple and I LOVE it.
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  15. vntgmx

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    I have a 2014 Triumph scrambler that I'm coming up on 600 miles on. Mind you most of my rides are in the 60-100mile range with a 50-75% bias toward offroad. Has TKC80s on it for this reason. I just recently test rode a Ducati Scrambler and as expected it was all on road.
    With that said they are quite different creatures and only thing really they share in common is the Scrambler name. Don't have time to go into details at the moment but I will say this that I don't think the Ducati obsoletes the Triumph at all. Does it do some things better absolutely but it has it's warts just like the Triumph and like I said earlier they are very different animals so it's not a one size fits all argument imo.
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  16. NJ-Brett

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    You don't ride that triumph scrambler in the sand do you?
    I can not imagine riding a 500+ pound bike with no suspension in the dirt in South Jersey.
    Heavy and expensive, no fun in South Jersey off road.

    Been riding here 40 years and I can not think of but one dirt road I might scramble the Triumph on, that road (well graded and hard) that runs from RT 72 to Penns park lake I think it is.

    I went most places on a tw200 and xt200, some places on a dr650, and the smoother harder stuff on an old Triumph Daytona, but even the light TU250 was no fun on any dirt roads I know.

    With better tires, the Ducati might do the Atson to Batsto road, there is some thick sand and rough spots, but it might do it.

    On road or off, I will always go with lighter weight.
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    My friends have Bonnevilles, Thruxtons, Scramblers, and the Bonneville Black (my favorite of the lot.)

    I own a W650 and have a Ducati Scrambler on order. I sold my TW200 that I had the wide OEM street tires on because that's what I was replacing with this Scrambler. +50 hp and similar ergonomics, sure, why not?!

    I have never modified my W with narrower or lower bars, so I'm already used to the beach cruiser feel of the Scrambler bars. The biggest issue for me when I ride those Triumphs is that they weigh 100+ pounds over my W650. They're faster bikes, but they are a chore to lean over at lower speeds compared to my Kawasaki.

    I'm hoping that the Scrambler is going to make my W650 seem like the Triumphs already feel to me :) I'm hoping that it falls right over in a corner or lane change and feels more at one with my body in terms of point and shoot.

    The Triumph wins the beauty contest any day of the week for me, but I still think my W650 looks cooler than any of the modern Bonnevilles because you can see much more engine. I've always thought the Bonnevilles looked like a W650 with an obesity problem.

    Kawasaki W800 USA market scrambler vs Ducati Scrambler? I'd probably have more to think about :)
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  18. vntgmx

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    I most certainly do and it's more capable then one might think. It's no off road or dirt bike but I didn't buy it expecting it to be. It's just a fun mixed surface tourer and that's what I like to do. I couldn't imagine not using it on the dirt as heck that'd be like not using 50% of it's fun factor.
    The Ducati should be equally as fun in the pines I'm sure and I think folks who buy these things and don't take them off road are not getting the full return on the fun factor and capability of the bikes. Hell it's like guys who buy R1200GS bikes and use them 100% as street rides. But that's just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
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  19. MotoJedeye

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    @Dan, Yes if only the DUCATI had the dimensions of TRIUMPH, we would have a real winner. I'm 5'10 and like I have said, anyone taller than that, will be a bit too big for the bike. All things considered, I'm very happy with the Ducati.
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    The TRIUMPH has the right dimensions physically. But yes, too HEAVYY, too SLOW and ANEMIC .
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