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Electric Motion (EM) Trials Bikes

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by motobene, May 3, 2016.

  1. amardeepsk

    amardeepsk n00b

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    I have had my bike since Saturday and I am loving it so far! The only thing I wish is that I had a second battery pack so I could ride the bike continually (though I doubt my body could take it). I can usually get 2-3 hours of continual riding out of a full charge and according to the manual you won't have full battery capacity until 10 complete battery charge/discharge cycles.

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  2. catfish

    catfish Squidicus Adventurous Supporter

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    SWEET! :-)

    How do you like the clutch? The rear sprocket looks larger than 57T. How many teeth? I ask because I want lower gearing yet on my '16 Escape & wonder if this might work.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts & good luck!

    Catfish ...
  3. lcfc1980

    lcfc1980 n00b

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  4. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    I just special ordered one through my dealer. I’m not sure exactly when I’ll get it, but will post up some videos when I do.
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  5. Austini

    Austini Adventurer

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    Hi Guys, for all you battery experts out there would this be a cheap spare for a 2015 EM or am I being too simplistic? price is around $500USD

    Product Specifications
    Material:Li-ion
    Nominal Volt:48V
    Nominal Capacity:15Ah
    Source Resistance:about 40MΩ
    Battery Specification:3.7V
    Battery Chip:18650
    Cell Combination:13-series 5-parallel
    Battery Quantity:65pcs
    Discharge Cutoff Voltage:41V+/- 1V
    Charge Mode:CC-CV
    Charge Cutoff Voltage:54.6V
    instantaneous Maximum Discharge Current (A):45A
    Rated Discharge Current (A):15A
    Maximum Continuous Discharge Current (A):15A
    Maximum Continuous Charge Current (A):5A
    Fast Charge Current (A):5A
    Standard Charge Current (A):2A
    Charge Time under Fast Charge Current:3hours
    Charge Time under Standard Charge Current:6hours
    Working Charge Temp:0-50℃
    Working Discharge Temp:-20-55℃
    Storage Temperature:-20-55℃
    Dimension:235*200*145*70*45*70mm
    Battery Power:1000W
    Cycle life:800-1000 cycles
    Weight:About 3.4kg

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  6. catfish

    catfish Squidicus Adventurous Supporter

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    The spec numbers I quoted above sound too-low to be considered a directly replacement for an EM battery. The oem motor is good for 5kW continuous and 12kW bursts.

    The EM Battery is more than just a battery. It also contains the BMS and the DC contactor that is used to protect battery from load issues & over/under charging. You would need a few (2-4?) of these batteries and then add BMS & contactor also.

    Not an option I would consider. Good luck!

    Catfish ...
  7. Austini

    Austini Adventurer

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  8. Austini

    Austini Adventurer

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    Hi Catfish theres a rider in Aus who built a battery using hobby type batteries to good effect, BMS in the charger and no contactor pain in the arse to charge but it works. The guy who can fix my battery but wants a EM schematic, you can guess how much response EM have given me to my emails it seems as soon as the bike leaves the factory its not there problem. Its a shame because I really want to buy a Epure but whats going to happen a few years down the track when something goes wrong and no one will assist from the factory. 94883238_10158513851856057_2220425313811169280_n.jpg
  9. catfish

    catfish Squidicus Adventurous Supporter

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    The BMS+contactor in the EM battery also keeps you from discharging the battery cells too far & hurting 'em.

    Certainly DIYs can make almost anything, but your example does NOT have the same functionality.

    EM would love to sell you a new battery. Just ask. If you wish EM to repair your battery, ask & be prepared to ship to France & wait a long time.

    Don't expect any manufacturer to freely give away the design of their technology. Doesn't stop you from reverse engineering your battery & replacing bad parts.

    Good luck with your EM.

    Catfish ...
  10. Ditch

    Ditch Long timer

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    We have a local who 3D prints his own custom battery mounts for his kids Oset bikes to use power tool battery packs. It's pretty remarkable what one can fab up these days and make it look factory.
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  11. Kyler

    Kyler Geezer

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  12. Larwy

    Larwy Adventurer

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    Sorry to hear about your knee, bummer, I sold my Escape and was putting in my order for a 2020 model when Corona struck and the Canadian importer called it quits, so now in limbo.:becca
  13. catfish

    catfish Squidicus Adventurous Supporter

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    Sorry to hear about your knee issues & having to stop riding. :-( I hope you get a fair price for the EM.



    I hear lotsa interest in the new ones & not much supply yet. Good luck.

    I was looking forward to our club's trial meets this year, but those & the national we were putting on in May were cancelled. Spent the spring doing 2 years of motos (5) maintenance. Done today finally! Now its time to ride! :-)


    Catfish ...
  14. Lotus54

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    How has it been working out for you?
    Do you have regen setup on it?

    I was thinking either a button or paddle I could operate with thumb without ‘unwrapping’ it?
  15. Lotus54

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    StrangerCreek Moto has a 2020 Escape right now.
    Not sure how it would be bringing it into Canada, (it is in Eastern WA)- but tell him Mark sent you for a special discount. (Heck, worth a try anyway!)

  16. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    Well, my special order took long enough that it turned into the 2021 model. I ordred an Escape with a real clutch.
    Now they are making that model for production.

    Hope to get it by the end of the month.

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  17. Larwy

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    Interesting, thanks for the tip, but I would not be buying a stock Escape, there are a couple of changes I would want, changing the rims would be one, and it looks like in your pic you have done that also, being able to run your tire pressure down to 4.5 psi in the rear is a must for me, also looking for heavy rear shock spring, another must. As well as sprocket changes.
    Adding that clutch might be interesting, was that a very pricey add on?
    I had the electronic clutch on my 2018, and it was useless, and changed to over to a rear brake, which was great.
    Looks like I will be waiting a while, until they find a new Canadian distributor, so probably next year.
    Good luck with yours.
  18. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    The custom order I made was an Escape, with ‘R’ clutch.
    But in the meantime they made a new model, the Escape R.
    So rather than a custom setup, mine will be a stock 2021.

    I run 3psi or less with ‘standard’ rims and Tubliss system. I prefer it in some ways- if you get a puncture, you can keep riding. The tyre cannot come off the rim (unless the high pressure tube fails).
    Works very well.

    But yes, it appears the Escape R is really the ePure race with the larger battery and seat setup.

  19. Larwy

    Larwy Adventurer

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    I wonder if the Escape 'R' will have the same power specs as the ePure race?
  20. Lotus54

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    My understanding is it is the same as the epure race.
    The epure race with larger battery and seat setup.