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Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by voltsxamps, Jun 18, 2016.
LOL, Dude I am on a offshore drilling rig in the GOM right now. Try again sweet cheeks.
So if you work rigs then you should know enough about history. In the 70s people freaked out saying we are running out of energy (oil)
Well guess what man developed better and better drilling techniques that enable extraction from depths that were considered unfathomable.
There is no need to double up on infrastructure for an energy that is superior to batteries.
When you can pour electricity then come back - but that is 100 years away.
And on the emotion side of things - you may get your kicks riding a washing machine. I’m betting most wont. The motorcycle industry will kill itself if it goes e biking. What noise will Harley patent ? The sound of an electric motor? Come on.
Harley makes noise in the gearbox.
I know the history of the oilfield and what it takes to extract it. I work on a 7th gen drill ship able to drill in a 12K ft water depth, the derrik is good for 2.5 million lbs we use dynamic positioning via 6 thrusters. To do all of that we use electric motors, fossil fuel driven engines can not provide the level of control and smoothness of operation. We do use 6 - 5000 hp diesel gensets to provide power and even the engines do not have a quick enough reaction time so we program acceleration and decceleration ramping into the motors so that we don't overload the engines.
100 years away you say. Have faith, because there is already an electric flying motorcycle in production. Most people carry a hand held computer in their pockets. It may not even be battery tech that does it, maybe a solid state capacitor bank, what if Nikola's dream of wireless power comes true in the next few years.
We will always need hydrocarbons, maybe not for fuel but we will need them.
XRHondafan. I grew up on gas (didn’t we all?). Spent many years at strips and courses. Driven blown cobra mustangs, 26lb boosted all-wheel drive DSM’s, SCCA prepped Mazdaspeed rotary’s, tuned CBR900RR’s.. and the biggest smile comes from my Performance Model S. Coincidentally, the only motorcycle I’ve ever ridden that I’m afraid of is the Victory Empulse TT, as that sucker put me on the ground when I forgot to respect how much torque is unleashed in an instant. Not missing all that noise and vibration.. I’ll take that smooth instantaneous torque any day. Just make sure it’s got traction control!
I get what you’re saying about energy density but I disagree with you on a proper EV being boring or not having an emotion. Feeling g forces in an instant never feels old- not to me at least. ICE just feels slow, complex, and unnecessarily loud to me now by comparison.
I still own a Yamaha FZ for my long distance riding (did a 3000 mile multi-state RT on it 2 summers ago) but am keeping a close eye on EM progress as I want my cake and eat it too. At some point, I will replace it with a long range EM. Adventure riding is different for everyone. For me, it’s on pavement, where for someone else, it’s anywhere but. Whatever propels our two-wheeled rides, or wherever it may take us, as long as it puts a smile on our faces, who’s to say it isn’t an adventure?
It’s exhaust noise created by the unique firing pattern and either muffled or unmuffled.
Zero to do with gearbox noise
Like I said ev are not adv bikes in normal sense. Normal being customary. Adv biking normally isn’t pavement only riding
The same way BMW sells cars now,right?
I can’t imagine why our favorite Saudi Arabians would be wasting money on solar energy when they’ve got you to tell them they’re stupid.
Whats considered normal changes with tech and time. That said, why can’t an EM not be an ADV bike? We all get what you’re saying about range/charge ratio and infrastructure, but both are rapidly improving and the very point of this thread (news/updates).
I’m sure most riding KTM Freeride, Alta, Sur-Ron, and Zero DS/R’s are having adventures in their own respect- and why so many sections/threads/posts on ADVRIDER that are pavement only riding? Does their adventure not qualify simply because it didn’t involve off road? Pavement does make it a whole lot more easier to ‘ride the world’, yes? Interestingly, EM’s exhibit some of their best strengths off road, as demonstrated in recent hare scrambles and traversing trails without the noise, which is one of the main complaints from those opposing gas bikes on trails.
Perhaps, though, we can continue this tangent in the “Thoughts on electric motorcycles thread” as this is is getting OT.
Have they turned off the oil?
They’re just pleasing the euro socialists who think they know best.
The energy wars are over. Well except if you’re a head in the sand greenie who wants to reinvent dumb ways to do the same thing.
I shouldn't feed him but I have to.. you're perfectly fine with using a system (any system..) that has about 30% efficiency on the last step alone? Does that sound like a good long term solution?
Versus what other system are you referring to that is already set up, low cost, flexible, relIable and well managed?
Oh you’re talking about that pie in the sky electrical charging station system that all is in place and will not have any impact on household electricity prices? And the amount of electricity required to power all the worlds motor vehicles each day is going to come from.......?
That one - yeah that’s right.
versus nothing else. I am just asking if you're OK with that.
But anyway, not exactly what this thread is supposed to be about.
Everybody knows that energy density is high in gasoline, but that´s not the point. The point is that we have to phase out fossil fuels because of global warming (which is a fact and not someting that socialist Euro greenies have made up). Electric is the future and we just have to get used to it even if we love our gas-bikes.
/Anders J. (who rides a KTM 350 and an electric KTM and loves both)
Global warning is a socialist con so excuse me if I say bulllshit to your global warming religion.
Hah that’s actually funny
don't feed the troll...
If weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels is dumb this conversation is finished.
So I work in recycling dinosaurs and prehistoric swamp mush. AKA Oil and gas. I believe in EV’s period. Not because they are green, that just happens to be a side effect. But because we can do so much with the electric motor.
You will never convert the average Joe with “It’s good for the planet”. You have to get out and “Hold my beer and watch this shit” and completely thrash what ever ICE machine he is using.
Until y’all make it fast sexy and cheap you’re fighting a uphill battle.