Electric Motorcycle & Scooter News/Updates

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by voltsxamps, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. ctromley

    ctromley Long timer

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    Obviously not, since every battery manufacturer is working to eliminate it.

    Y'know what? You're a complete waste of time. It's not even worth correcting the dangerous mis-information you're spewing, because anyone reading this far can see your Shining Shield of Determined Ignorance allows you to completely ignore inconvenient facts. Which makes your retorts at best incoherent, at worst downright silly.

    I'm done here. Some people can't be helped.
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  2. XRHondafan

    XRHondafan Long timer

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    I’m not talking about your ev. I’m not interested in fringe dwellers.

    So relatively fixed supply of electricity coupled with massive demand increase (daily to propel say 50% of road vehicles in 10 years) will not raise electricity prices through the roof?

    I just want to frame your reply.
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  3. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator Super Supporter

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    A extremely gentle reminder:

    Forum angst is not welcome here. If you're gnashing your teeth about another inmate, instead of posting on the topic at hand, you're in the wrong place.
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  4. smoky

    smoky Been here awhile

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    XRHondaguy is the first inmate I’ve put on ignore. I’ll see how this works. :-)
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  5. MJSfoto1956

    MJSfoto1956 Been here awhile

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    He is by definition trolling this thread to impose his views on the thread participants (yet whining about it at the same time). It would be appropriate to ban such a troll as he has plenty of other threads here on ADV to masturbate about how wonderful ICE is.

    YMMV

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  6. kiwial

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    When people try to be right just for the sake of it and keep on insisting with their type of argumentation, no matter what ('ego-tripping'), together with putting other people down (bullying), it is because they try to make themselves feel superior, to make up for their inferiority complex.
    And the sole reason I am writing this is to make the reader conscious of what's unconscious and therefore take away some of the negative power the Shadow has on oneself and others.

    (Waiting for an 'emotional reaction out of proportion to the circumstances', which indicates you found a persons Shadow and triggered their Shadow projection)
  7. T.S.Zarathustra

    T.S.Zarathustra Been here awhile

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  8. voltsxamps

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    First look: 68 MPH (110 km/h) Sur Ron Storm Bee street-legal electric motorcycle
    Micah Toll

    - Sep. 22nd 2019 5:16 am ET


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    The upcoming Sur Ron Storm Bee electric motorcycle is shaping up to become an aggressive offering both on road and off road. We’ve just received more specs and a first look at the new electric motorcycle, which appears to live up to the hype.

    Upcoming Sur Ron Storm Bee
    The electric motorcycle industry has been waiting for new info on the much anticipated Sur Ron Storm Bee electric motorcycle for weeks now.

    We first reported on leaks regarding the Storm Bee’s performance figures last month. Early reports indicated a higher speed and power electric motorcycle compared to the existing 45 mph (72 km/h) 6 kW Sur Ron Light Bee (Firefly) electric motorcycle.

    Now we’re getting our first look at the bike and its specs thanks to Bruno Bari Buccianti, host of the popular (and high energy) BrunoPOWEEER YouTube channel. And there’s good news for those looking to take their Sur Ron on the streets: It looks like the company has committed to producing both on- and off-road versions of the Storm Bee.

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    Sur Ron Storm Bee specs
    According to the spec sheet supplied to Electrek, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will feature a 22.5 kW (30 hp) air-cooled motor putting out 520 Nm (382 lb-ft) of stump-pulling torque.

    Suspension includes an adjustable inverted front fork with 290 mm (11 in) of travel and an adjustable rear mono-shock also offering 290 mm (11 in) of rear wheel travel.

    The top speed of the forged-aluminum framed bike will reach 68 mph (110 km/h). Range at 31 mph (50 km/h) is estimated at 60 miles (100 km) based on the 4.6 kWh battery. That battery will also feature high power Sony VTC6 cells, a popular battery cell used in the DIY battery building community.

    Speaking of DIY, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will feature a 150V sine wave controller. That leaves a large ceiling for DIYers to hot rod the Sur Ron with a higher voltage battery than the stock 96V pack, offering the potential for higher speeds and power levels.

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    While still a light electric motorcycle, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will be fairly hefty compared to its predecessor. The off-road Storm Bee will weigh in at 118 kg (260 lb) while the street-legal version will tip the scales at 127 kg (280 lb).

    The disparity in weight can be attributed to the other differences between the models. To help achieve homologation for street use, the on-road Sur Ron Storm Bee will include an LED light package including a head light, tail light and turn signals. It will also feature a license plate holder, mirror, street-rated tires and other necessary components.

    The street-legal Storm Bee will also feature ABS brakes and smartphone app connectivity, though details are still scarce regarding the functionality of the app.

    According to Bruno, the Storm Bee will reach the Australian distributor by the end of 2019, though timing for release in other markets is yet to be announced.

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  9. snowjob

    snowjob Thinking about bikes....

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    Excellent, looks closer to Alta than the KTM Freeride attempt. A little less battery but similar weight. Also a little less HP. Hopefully a lot less $$.
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  10. ctromley

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    30 hp and under 300# sure gets my attention, not to mention it just begs to be hot-rodded - which it certainly will be. I'm not generally a big fan of the SM concept, but this could change my mind (assuming proper tires are available in the sizes needed). I wonder if Sur-Ron has any interest in more of a street orientation, because I sure do.
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  11. ScottieDucati

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    I’m sure they have interest. But wight and range are limiting, particularly for a budget bike. This thing looks like a perfect fun woods bike!!
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  12. voltsxamps

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    It’s finally here: Arcimoto is delivering its 75 MPH electric trike fun-mobile
    Micah Toll

    - Sep. 23rd 2019 6:53 am ET

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    Oregon-based Arcimoto has been working on its three-wheeled electric vehicle for years now. But before you call it vaporware, think again. The Arcimoto FUV has just begun retail production and deliveries.



    Arcimoto Fun Utility Vehicle begins production
    Arcimoto’s Fun Utility Vehicle (FUV) is half electric car, half electric motorcycle.

    Taking the form of a tadpole tricycle, where the two wheels are placed in the forward position, the vehicle is technically classified as a motorcycle. But the seating and stability give it more of an electric car or even go-kart feel.

    Sure, it’s odd. But that hasn’t stopped the company from raising tons of money and beginning retail sales earlier this year.

    As of this June, the number of pre-orders stood at 4,128.

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    The Arcimoto FUV has a top speed of 75 mph (121 km/h) and an estimated city range of 102.5 miles (165 km). Arcimoto claims it achieves an efficiency of 173.7 MPGe. It also comes with a number creature comforts including heated seats, heated grips (did we mention it has handlebars instead of a steering wheel?), Bluetooth speakers, removable half doors and lockable rear storage.

    According to Arcimoto’s Founder and President Mark Frohnmayer:

    “The FUV represents a significant step toward a sustainable transportation future in which vehicles are fully electric and right-sized for the needs of everyday drivers. This is a truly significant moment for Arcimoto as we launch retail production and delivery of the Fun Utility Vehicle for the first time in the company’s history.”

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    The Arcimoto FUV is built in Oregon and comes with an MSRP of $19,990.

    The company aims to reduce the price down to around $12,000 if they can hit large enough production volume.

    As Mark expanded:

    “In 2007, we set out to build the world’s most affordable and efficient everyday electric vehicle that also happened to be insanely fun to drive. The FUV Evergreen Edition is the realization of that vision. With the FUV, you save money on gas, time on parking, and your daily commute is transformed into a pure electric joyride. Finally, a practical, American-made solution to the two greatest challenges facing the world today: global warming and getting groceries.

    As we scale operations and drive down costs, we intend to introduce even more affordable variations until we hit our target base price of $11,900. The Evergreen epitomizes our commitment to an American-made everyday electric vehicle that is affordable for everyone. It is the FUV by which all other FUVs will be measured.”


    The FUV is also part of a suite of vehicles built on the same platform. Aricomoto has rolled out examples of delivery vehicles and even first responder vehicles such as ambulances and fire trucks based on the FUV platform.

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    $100 to save your spot in line. Fully refundable at any time, for any reason.
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  13. voltsxamps

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    Check out Gogoro’s giant new battery swap stations for its electric scooters
    Micah Toll

    - Sep. 23rd 2019 11:57 am


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    Gogoro has pretty much set the world standard for how battery swap stations for electric scooters should operate. But that doesn’t mean they’ve stopped innovating. The company just unveiled new, larger battery swap GoStations along with a number of other fascinating announcements.


    Gogoro’s new GoStations
    Taiwan-based Gogoro electric scooters rely on the company’s GoStations to swap out discharged batteries for fresh packs. There are over 1,000 such GoStations across Taiwan, helping Gogoro maintain nearly the entire market share of electric scooters in the country. In Taipei alone, riders are never further than 1 km (0.6 mi) from a battery swap station.

    Now Gogoro is announcing a new design for its ubiquitous battery swap stations. The new stations, known as the GoStation 3, offer up to 50% more batteries than the previous version and yet reduce the physical footprint required by the station.

    The station can actually power itself off of some of its batteries in the event of a power interruption. It can apparently continue operating without a power source for over two and a half days.

    And in the event of power outages, the station can operate bidirectionally to help power urban microgrids and keep critical systems running in a city.

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    And more even bigger GoStations
    As if that wasn’t enough, Gogoro also announced even larger GoStations known as Super GoStations.

    The giant battery swap stations can retain as much as 200 kWh of energy. That’s enough to support up to 1,000 riders in the area, according to Gogoro.

    Gogoro will be rolling out the Super GoStations immediately and plans to have them in six different major cities by the end of 2019.

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    New Flex Plan makes battery swaps surprisingly cheap
    Gogoro also announced its new Flex Plan pricing structure. While riders were previously charged by the kilometer for the subscription-based electric scooter service, the new Flex Plan will see them charged by the Ah, a unit of measure of battery capacity. This means riders are more accurately charged for the energy they use.

    The Flex Plan will cost TWD $299 (US $9.60) per month for the subscription and another TWD $2.30 (US $0.07) per Ah used.

    That means cost per distance will vary based on riding style and speed, but a rough ballpark would put it at around 20 km (12 mi) for one US dollar at city speeds. That’s not bad.

    It also rewards those who drive more efficiently and don’t have a lead foot -errr, wrist.

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    Electrek’s Take
    If you weren’t already a Gogoro fan, it’s hard not to be swayed over by now. Not only are their electric scooters pretty awesome (50 mph or 80 km/h on a cool little two-wheeler!) but the battery swap system is super convenient as well.

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    Gogoro isn’t the only game in town, mind you. Kymco also has a battery-swappable electric scooter swap system known as Kymco IONEX. But the company hasn’t gained much market share compared to Gogoro, who appears to be running away with the show.
  14. zap2504

    zap2504 Dave E.

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    Woo Hoo! I always thought the 3-wheel, enclosed variant the best for world-wide commuter/light commerce platform. 3 wheels lets it side step automotive requirements; enclosed frame/weather protection allows comfortable all-year use; tandem seating (a la Messerschmitt KRs) reduces construction costs related to driving on the left/right while providing a narrow width for EU and Asian roads. If durability tests are successful, I think it is a winner.
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  15. ctromley

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    The Arcimoto is eerily similiar to a (European? Finnish? Can't remember....) design from maybe 10 - 15 years ago. I wondered then why it didn't get traction in the marketplace.

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    Found it - they're in Poland, seem to still be in business:

    http://friends-of-sam.com/en

    And incidentally, their weight is 720 kg or 1587 lb. See below how that might be a real problem.
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    Three-wheelers are tricky. They can be exceptionally competent, or a disaster, depending on how they are designed. I like the fact that it's FWD, which is how they should be, rather than RWD which is how most are designed because it's easier. But the high seats and short wheelbase have my warning buzzers going off. The delivery van has the cargo load in the worst place possible, high and over the rear wheel.

    This thing will have the dynamics of a car. Calling it a motorcycle is nothing but a regulatory convenience. In everything it does it will be car-like, never mind the handlebar steering. Today's cars will slide and/or spin if you drive too hard. Even SUVs - the only way to get an SUV to roll without hitting a curb or something is to get your steering inputs out of sync with the body leaning from side to side. (Like sliding, correcting and then counter-correcting too late - something that is sadly all-to-frequent with SUVs.) The Arcimoto looks short enough in wheelbase and with enough cg height to tip over just from cornering too hard. (Tipping first rather than sliding first, unlike an SUV.) Which is especially concerning with no side doors or arm restraints. I could be wrong, the front track might be wide enough to prevent it, but I wouldn't bet on it.

    Arcimoto should provide a video of this thing snaking through a slalom course, drifting and sliding, to put that valid concern to rest. Some of us remember the Corbin Sparrow, and how often it turned itself into a hockey puck under circumstances where no car driver would expect such behavior.

    Also, three-wheeler licensing varies widely from state to state. There are no specs on the site, but there are some states that put a 1500 lb. limit on the definition of "motorcycle." Does this qualify? What about other states? Look into licensing and insurance before you buy.
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  16. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    the limited range is BECAUSE it's a budget bike.
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    I was at the production start unveiling for this vehicle last week. The narrow roof provides only minimal weather protection. You would want to wear rain gear for less than fair weather driving. One model on display had lower half side doors, but no upper protection- it may be coming. The low mounted, center-line battery location provides some stability - let's hope it's enough. The location of the high battery box between your feet made getting in and out kind of awkward. It might be a problem for delivery drivers and people with limited leg mobility.
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    Sur Ron unveils (another) new electric motorcycle, rated for 100 km/h (62 mph)

    Micah Toll - Sep. 25th 2019 5:48 am ET


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    The mid-power electric motorcycle market has been heating up lately with the introduction of a number of new models around the world. The latest comes in the form of the Sur Ron White Ghost, a 100 km/h (62 mph) electric motorcycle designed to straddle the gap between urban commuters and highway runabouts.

    But there’s something different about this bike, and it’s giving us a serious case of déjà vu.



    That’s because we’ve seen the Sur Ron White Ghost before when it was originally rolled out by the company as a concept electric motorcycle.

    That was around two years ago, and we hadn’t heard much of a peep about the project since. I had written it off as vaporware, to be honest.

    But it appears that couldn’t be farther from the truth, based on the latest unveiling at the China International Motorcycle Show. The Sur Ron White Ghost was on display, but with a totally different name. It’s now the VOGE ER 10 electric motorcycle.

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    VOGE ER 10 electric motorcycle
    Sur Ron apparently handed off production of the White Ghost to a company called Loncin Motors, according to evnerds.

    Loncin owns the motorcycle brand VOGE, which until today had been a purely gas-powered motorcycle brand. The VOGE 10 is now set to make history as the brand’s first electric motorcycle.



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    VOGE ER 10 tech specs
    The VOGE ER 10 features a liquid-cooled 6 kW (8 hp) continuous mid-drive electric motor rated for a peak output of 14 kW (18.7 hp). Shaft torque is quoted at 42 Nm (31 lb-ft).

    It’s that powerful motor that boosts the bike up to a top speed of 100 km/h (62 mph) – faster than the previous Sur Ron Light Bee (Firefly) which peaked at around 72 km/h (45 mph).

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    The battery is comprised of Panasonic battery cells and measures up at 4.2 kWh of capacity, thanks to its 60 V and 70 Ah architecture.

    The “cruising range” of the bike is listed as 100 km (62 mi), but the company follows that up with a range of 120 km (75 mi) at 30 km/h (18 mph).

    The ER 10 also sports a forged aluminum frame, inverted front suspension fork, multi-link adjustable rear center shock, and ABS brakes.

    The bike weighs in at 115 kg (254 lb). It’s not clear whether the battery is removable, but it has a weight listed at 29 kg (64 lb), so there may remain a chance. That’s a pretty heavy (and expensive) battery to be lugging around though. The Vespa Elettrica has a similarly sized battery that is non-removable and thus can only be charged while on the vehicle.

    By this point, you’re probably asking how much the bike will cost. VOGE announced that the price will be set at 33,800 RMB (US $4,750). VOGE is planning to present the bike at the EICMA Milan Motorcycle Show in the next 6 weeks and then enter production shortly after. And considering the company has its sights set on wide-ranging homologation and international distributors, there’s a good chance this one will be headed to a country near you soon.
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    Gogoro launches new urban electric scooter for ~$1800 and prepares for global expansion

    Micah Toll - Sep. 26th 2019 2:01 am ET


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    In an announcement made just moments ago, Gogoro unveiled its latest electric scooter: Gogoro VIVA. The smart scooter is designed to operate similarly to Gogoro’s existing scooters, but provide a smaller and more versatile design for urban mobility.

    The new scooter also represents one of the final steps in Gogoro’s plans to expand globally.




    Taiwan-based Gogoro already maintains a nearly 94% market share for electric mobility in its domestic market.

    The Gogoro 3 scooters, previously the company’s latest electric scooter model, make use of a battery swapping network to allow riders to quickly replace depleted batteries in their scooters.

    Over 1,400 battery swap stations are spread across Taiwan and over 125,000 battery swaps occur daily – nearly two every second. In Taipei alone, riders are never more than 1 km (0.6 mi) from a Gogoro battery swap station.

    While Gogoro’s original scooters can reach speeds of over 80 km/h (50 mph) and carry two batteries, the new VIVA scooters are designed to be smaller, more urban-centric scooters. Thus, the 3 kW (4 hp) VIVA scooters carry just a single battery. That battery is still sufficient for around 80 km (50 mi) of range.

    The VIVA offers synchronized braking, 21 L of storage space and weighs just 80 kg (176 lb).

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    The VIVA electric scooter is also designed to be extremely customizable and personalizable as well. In a phone conversation with Electrek, Gogoro’s Founder and CEO Horace Luke explained how the VIVA is designed to be so personalizable:

    “The VIVA scooter has over 100 accessories available on day one when launch, so you can get all of these different bolt-on parts to make it more of a cargo carrier scooter if you want, or more of a lifestyle scooter if you want. Even different accessories you can put on the vehicle to make it completely different colors and different styles. So think of it in terms of the word ‘ultra’. It’s ultra lightweight, ultra easy to own, ultra affordable, ultra personalizable.”

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    The VIVA scooter can reach a top speed of 50 km/h (31 mph), which will help it qualify for L1e in Europe and not require a motorcycle license to ride. Instead, anyone with a standard driver’s license would be eligible.

    And that’s an important consideration, since Gogoro is now preparing for its first global expansion. While the VIVA electric scooters will be rolling out in Taiwan next month for approximately US $1,800, Gogoro plans to expand to multiple international markets in 2020.

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    Final preparations for Gogoro’s overseas expansion
    Gogoro is still determining the type of sales model it will use internationally. It could be similar to the model currently used in Taiwan, where riders buy the scooter but not the batteries, and instead pay a monthly subscription of between US $10-$30 for battery swap access. Or Gogoro might begin by simply selling the scooters and batteries outright, with riders charging at home. With removable and portable batteries, electric scooters are often easier to charge than electric cars.

    Horace Luke explained how the VIVA is one of the last steps Gogoro needs to make before the company is ready for international expansion:

    “Today’s announcement is part of our plan of working towards going overseas. The VIVA is one of the last puzzle pieces that we are putting in so that when we do go overseas, we have more to offer than a single electric scooter design. We won’t be a one trick pony.”

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    In addition to to Gogoro’s expanded line of electric scooter models, the company’s battery swap stations are a key part of its technology that could benefit other cities and countries around the world. The smart stations can dynamically adjust battery charging rates depending on demand, and can even offer bidirectional charging to power local grids during power outages.

    In Taiwan alone, Gogoro has over 500 MWh of energy storage across its battery swap station network, and plans to have 1 GWh of storage by next spring.
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