Electric Motorcycle & Scooter News/Updates

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by voltsxamps, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. ctromley

    ctromley Been here awhile

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    The Arcimoto is eerily similiar to a (European? Finnish? Can't remember....) design from maybe 10 - 15 years ago. I wondered then why it didn't get traction in the marketplace.

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    Found it - they're in Poland, seem to still be in business:

    http://friends-of-sam.com/en

    And incidentally, their weight is 720 kg or 1587 lb. See below how that might be a real problem.
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    Three-wheelers are tricky. They can be exceptionally competent, or a disaster, depending on how they are designed. I like the fact that it's FWD, which is how they should be, rather than RWD which is how most are designed because it's easier. But the high seats and short wheelbase have my warning buzzers going off. The delivery van has the cargo load in the worst place possible, high and over the rear wheel.

    This thing will have the dynamics of a car. Calling it a motorcycle is nothing but a regulatory convenience. In everything it does it will be car-like, never mind the handlebar steering. Today's cars will slide and/or spin if you drive too hard. Even SUVs - the only way to get an SUV to roll without hitting a curb or something is to get your steering inputs out of sync with the body leaning from side to side. (Like sliding, correcting and then counter-correcting too late - something that is sadly all-to-frequent with SUVs.) The Arcimoto looks short enough in wheelbase and with enough cg height to tip over just from cornering too hard. (Tipping first rather than sliding first, unlike an SUV.) Which is especially concerning with no side doors or arm restraints. I could be wrong, the front track might be wide enough to prevent it, but I wouldn't bet on it.

    Arcimoto should provide a video of this thing snaking through a slalom course, drifting and sliding, to put that valid concern to rest. Some of us remember the Corbin Sparrow, and how often it turned itself into a hockey puck under circumstances where no car driver would expect such behavior.

    Also, three-wheeler licensing varies widely from state to state. There are no specs on the site, but there are some states that put a 1500 lb. limit on the definition of "motorcycle." Does this qualify? What about other states? Look into licensing and insurance before you buy.
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  2. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    the limited range is BECAUSE it's a budget bike.
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  3. Electro Flyers

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    I was at the production start unveiling for this vehicle last week. The narrow roof provides only minimal weather protection. You would want to wear rain gear for less than fair weather driving. One model on display had lower half side doors, but no upper protection- it may be coming. The low mounted, center-line battery location provides some stability - let's hope it's enough. The location of the high battery box between your feet made getting in and out kind of awkward. It might be a problem for delivery drivers and people with limited leg mobility.
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  4. Bolzen

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    Easier money -- gangs love that.
  5. voltsxamps

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    Sur Ron unveils (another) new electric motorcycle, rated for 100 km/h (62 mph)

    Micah Toll - Sep. 25th 2019 5:48 am ET


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    The mid-power electric motorcycle market has been heating up lately with the introduction of a number of new models around the world. The latest comes in the form of the Sur Ron White Ghost, a 100 km/h (62 mph) electric motorcycle designed to straddle the gap between urban commuters and highway runabouts.

    But there’s something different about this bike, and it’s giving us a serious case of déjà vu.



    That’s because we’ve seen the Sur Ron White Ghost before when it was originally rolled out by the company as a concept electric motorcycle.

    That was around two years ago, and we hadn’t heard much of a peep about the project since. I had written it off as vaporware, to be honest.

    But it appears that couldn’t be farther from the truth, based on the latest unveiling at the China International Motorcycle Show. The Sur Ron White Ghost was on display, but with a totally different name. It’s now the VOGE ER 10 electric motorcycle.

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    VOGE ER 10 electric motorcycle
    Sur Ron apparently handed off production of the White Ghost to a company called Loncin Motors, according to evnerds.

    Loncin owns the motorcycle brand VOGE, which until today had been a purely gas-powered motorcycle brand. The VOGE 10 is now set to make history as the brand’s first electric motorcycle.



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    VOGE ER 10 tech specs
    The VOGE ER 10 features a liquid-cooled 6 kW (8 hp) continuous mid-drive electric motor rated for a peak output of 14 kW (18.7 hp). Shaft torque is quoted at 42 Nm (31 lb-ft).

    It’s that powerful motor that boosts the bike up to a top speed of 100 km/h (62 mph) – faster than the previous Sur Ron Light Bee (Firefly) which peaked at around 72 km/h (45 mph).

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    The battery is comprised of Panasonic battery cells and measures up at 4.2 kWh of capacity, thanks to its 60 V and 70 Ah architecture.

    The “cruising range” of the bike is listed as 100 km (62 mi), but the company follows that up with a range of 120 km (75 mi) at 30 km/h (18 mph).

    The ER 10 also sports a forged aluminum frame, inverted front suspension fork, multi-link adjustable rear center shock, and ABS brakes.

    The bike weighs in at 115 kg (254 lb). It’s not clear whether the battery is removable, but it has a weight listed at 29 kg (64 lb), so there may remain a chance. That’s a pretty heavy (and expensive) battery to be lugging around though. The Vespa Elettrica has a similarly sized battery that is non-removable and thus can only be charged while on the vehicle.

    By this point, you’re probably asking how much the bike will cost. VOGE announced that the price will be set at 33,800 RMB (US $4,750). VOGE is planning to present the bike at the EICMA Milan Motorcycle Show in the next 6 weeks and then enter production shortly after. And considering the company has its sights set on wide-ranging homologation and international distributors, there’s a good chance this one will be headed to a country near you soon.
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  6. voltsxamps

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    Gogoro launches new urban electric scooter for ~$1800 and prepares for global expansion

    Micah Toll - Sep. 26th 2019 2:01 am ET


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    In an announcement made just moments ago, Gogoro unveiled its latest electric scooter: Gogoro VIVA. The smart scooter is designed to operate similarly to Gogoro’s existing scooters, but provide a smaller and more versatile design for urban mobility.

    The new scooter also represents one of the final steps in Gogoro’s plans to expand globally.




    Taiwan-based Gogoro already maintains a nearly 94% market share for electric mobility in its domestic market.

    The Gogoro 3 scooters, previously the company’s latest electric scooter model, make use of a battery swapping network to allow riders to quickly replace depleted batteries in their scooters.

    Over 1,400 battery swap stations are spread across Taiwan and over 125,000 battery swaps occur daily – nearly two every second. In Taipei alone, riders are never more than 1 km (0.6 mi) from a Gogoro battery swap station.

    While Gogoro’s original scooters can reach speeds of over 80 km/h (50 mph) and carry two batteries, the new VIVA scooters are designed to be smaller, more urban-centric scooters. Thus, the 3 kW (4 hp) VIVA scooters carry just a single battery. That battery is still sufficient for around 80 km (50 mi) of range.

    The VIVA offers synchronized braking, 21 L of storage space and weighs just 80 kg (176 lb).

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    The VIVA electric scooter is also designed to be extremely customizable and personalizable as well. In a phone conversation with Electrek, Gogoro’s Founder and CEO Horace Luke explained how the VIVA is designed to be so personalizable:

    “The VIVA scooter has over 100 accessories available on day one when launch, so you can get all of these different bolt-on parts to make it more of a cargo carrier scooter if you want, or more of a lifestyle scooter if you want. Even different accessories you can put on the vehicle to make it completely different colors and different styles. So think of it in terms of the word ‘ultra’. It’s ultra lightweight, ultra easy to own, ultra affordable, ultra personalizable.”

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    The VIVA scooter can reach a top speed of 50 km/h (31 mph), which will help it qualify for L1e in Europe and not require a motorcycle license to ride. Instead, anyone with a standard driver’s license would be eligible.

    And that’s an important consideration, since Gogoro is now preparing for its first global expansion. While the VIVA electric scooters will be rolling out in Taiwan next month for approximately US $1,800, Gogoro plans to expand to multiple international markets in 2020.

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    Final preparations for Gogoro’s overseas expansion
    Gogoro is still determining the type of sales model it will use internationally. It could be similar to the model currently used in Taiwan, where riders buy the scooter but not the batteries, and instead pay a monthly subscription of between US $10-$30 for battery swap access. Or Gogoro might begin by simply selling the scooters and batteries outright, with riders charging at home. With removable and portable batteries, electric scooters are often easier to charge than electric cars.

    Horace Luke explained how the VIVA is one of the last steps Gogoro needs to make before the company is ready for international expansion:

    “Today’s announcement is part of our plan of working towards going overseas. The VIVA is one of the last puzzle pieces that we are putting in so that when we do go overseas, we have more to offer than a single electric scooter design. We won’t be a one trick pony.”

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    In addition to to Gogoro’s expanded line of electric scooter models, the company’s battery swap stations are a key part of its technology that could benefit other cities and countries around the world. The smart stations can dynamically adjust battery charging rates depending on demand, and can even offer bidirectional charging to power local grids during power outages.

    In Taiwan alone, Gogoro has over 500 MWh of energy storage across its battery swap station network, and plans to have 1 GWh of storage by next spring.
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  7. Jay_In_Milpitas

    Jay_In_Milpitas Zero to sixty in February

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  8. zap2504

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    Any ergonomic measurements available for the VOGE?
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  10. T.S.Zarathustra

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    Showing people stuff like this doesn't change their opinions in any way. There are still people who believe that the earth is flat, smoking isn't harmful, obese people can be in great health, guns save lives instead of taking them, loud exhausts save lives, and an invisible all powerful being created everything and then sits and watches innocents suffering so they can practice their free will.
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  11. ctromley

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    One of the most astounding things in all of nature is the fact that the species of homo sapiens has not yet managed to kill itself off. We, as a species, are capable creating phenomenal levels of change in how we relate to each other, yet a large portion of the species reflexively, vehemently resists adapting to change, which leads to intra-species conflict - sometimes quite destructively. Conflict is also frequently based on competition over resources, but as a species we are quite capable of supporting every single individual comfortably. The ability to change our situation is arguably the species' greatest strength, yet we choose conflict and destruction.

    Our ability to bring change for our own betterment has at times outpaced our ability to understand all of its effects. Generally we have corrected, but the refusal to change by many has limited our ability to act to reverse the effects of the biggest unintended change to our environment in our entire existence. The self-preservation instinct in lower species morphed into ego in ours. Coupled with our ability to wreak change (including havoc), that ego which exists to preserve the individual may bring the species to an end in a couple of centuries - along with countless other life forms on the planet, something on which we already have a huge head start.

    It was bound to be something. It turned out to be the effects of elevated CO2 levels and the many subsequent domino effects, including intra-species conflicts. Whatever happens, this will be what determines whether we will allow ourselves to change and continue living on this rock, or set the stage for something else to follow. (After the planet has some time to correct itself without our meddlesome presence, of course.)

    People who need to be "right" in their own minds exact a huge cost on the species as a whole.

    Ego
    Is What Separates Us
    From the Higher Species
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  12. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    I still can’t figure out how every electric motorcycle rider hasn’t been killed already due to the lack of a lifesaving loud exhaust system.
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  13. ctromley

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    A better title for that article would be to replace "impossibilities" with "examples of human ignorance." Not one of the "impossibilities" listed was ever impossible. We just weren't smart enough to figure them out yet. One of our greatest dangers as a species is our reluctance to own our ignorance. Which leads directly to our assumption that only our perspective matters in this universe - what is or is not, what can or cannot be, is only valid from our perspective. We're far too busy thinking of ourselves as the ultimate expression of what a life form can be, which is spectacularly arrogant (apparently one of our greatest strengths).

    Radio waves have existed quite literally since the beginning of time. (Some of the background noise you hear on your radio between stations is remnants from the Big Bang.) It took several billion years for a universe to form, planets to congeal and cool down, life to form, consciousness to evolve and technological capability to develop to understand that radio waves were even a thing, let alone consider that putting them to use might be an "impossibility" for us to "overcome."

    We are so freaking full of ourselves, yet so impossibly ignorant that we are apparently incapable of comprehending our own ignorance. Or is it ego that makes us so blind to it? What was it that someone said recently about ego?
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    If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
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    Battery. Thats why and still is the issue.
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  16. ScottieDucati

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    That was part of the point! Also no need for crazy range for a playbike
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    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    Some of you folks need to learn we have CSM for CSM discussions.
  18. Traxx

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    Can you show some “for instance this...”
    There is a YouTube kid with a Tesla S that has been spanking the local ICE cars. He even made it to the reality show Fastest Car, and got spanked by a Mustang Fox body. Now that stang was built as hell, but Average Joe just sees that a Stang beat the EV.
    A guy in Austin built a Electric drag car until It burned down during the charging cycle.
    BMW makes a couple of EV’s that come to mind, only 1 of them looks good. Tesla so far has been the only one to address the looks issue.
    The other thing is to make it cheaper for a comparable size weight power and function.
    Range and charge time. Charge time and fast charge availability are more important. My biggest argument so far has been infrastructure. It is coming and coming quickly, but not yet here. Oh that means FAST charging stations and the overall power grid.
    If EV folks keep trying to force the EV’s down Average Joes throat then, Joe is going to resist. Make it a better option than ICE, Faster, sexyer and cheaper. Then Joe will adopt.
    Quit relying on Tax breaks and grants, that is not always going to be the case. What big government can give, it can take away.

    Over the last few years I have been moving my small machines to electric. Lawnmower, weed eater, kids motorcycles etc. not because of the green, but for performance, quiet and maintenance.
    When EV’s are able to meet my wants then I will put my money down. I will not give up what I can easily do with my current vehicles just to say I am green.
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  19. Traxx

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    This looks interesting, would really like to see the pricing. Would be a great Ranch bike.


    First look: 68 MPH (110 km/h) Sur Ron Storm Bee street-legal electric motorcycle
    Micah Toll

    - Sep. 22nd 2019 5:16 am ET


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    The upcoming Sur Ron Storm Bee electric motorcycle is shaping up to become an aggressive offering both on road and off road. We’ve just received more specs and a first look at the new electric motorcycle, which appears to live up to the hype.

    Upcoming Sur Ron Storm Bee
    The electric motorcycle industry has been waiting for new info on the much anticipated Sur Ron Storm Bee electric motorcycle for weeks now.

    We first reported on leaks regarding the Storm Bee’s performance figures last month. Early reports indicated a higher speed and power electric motorcycle compared to the existing 45 mph (72 km/h) 6 kW Sur Ron Light Bee (Firefly) electric motorcycle.

    Now we’re getting our first look at the bike and its specs thanks to Bruno Bari Buccianti, host of the popular (and high energy) BrunoPOWEEER YouTube channel. And there’s good news for those looking to take their Sur Ron on the streets: It looks like the company has committed to producing both on- and off-road versions of the Storm Bee.

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    Sur Ron Storm Bee specs
    According to the spec sheet supplied to Electrek, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will feature a 22.5 kW (30 hp) air-cooled motor putting out 520 Nm (382 lb-ft) of stump-pulling torque.

    Suspension includes an adjustable inverted front fork with 290 mm (11 in) of travel and an adjustable rear mono-shock also offering 290 mm (11 in) of rear wheel travel.

    The top speed of the forged-aluminum framed bike will reach 68 mph (110 km/h). Range at 31 mph (50 km/h) is estimated at 60 miles (100 km) based on the 4.6 kWh battery. That battery will also feature high power Sony VTC6 cells, a popular battery cell used in the DIY battery building community.

    Speaking of DIY, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will feature a 150V sine wave controller. That leaves a large ceiling for DIYers to hot rod the Sur Ron with a higher voltage battery than the stock 96V pack, offering the potential for higher speeds and power levels.

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    While still a light electric motorcycle, the Sur Ron Storm Bee will be fairly hefty compared to its predecessor. The off-road Storm Bee will weigh in at 118 kg (260 lb) while the street-legal version will tip the scales at 127 kg (280 lb).

    The disparity in weight can be attributed to the other differences between the models. To help achieve homologation for street use, the on-road Sur Ron Storm Bee will include an LED light package including a head light, tail light and turn signals. It will also feature a license plate holder, mirror, street-rated tires and other necessary components.

    The street-legal Storm Bee will also feature ABS brakes and smartphone app connectivity, though details are still scarce regarding the functionality of the app.

    According to Bruno, the Storm Bee will reach the Australian distributor by the end of 2019, though timing for release in other markets is yet to be announced.

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  20. millican

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    Traxx,
    That system you work with reminds me of freight trains. The electric motors are easier to sync when multiple engines are used. After seeing my cordless trimmer and battery outlast my gas mower, I bought the mower that uses the same battery (Stihl). It cuts far better and doesn't even slow down in the thick grass. It's just so much nicer to use. I have to shoo the chickens away from it while mowing, unlike with the old gas mower where they ran and hid.
    I'm pretty stoked to see the progress made with electric bikes and vehicles. The charge time is instantaneous compared to the eons it took for petroleum to reach it's energy density. We'll still need it for plastics and thngs.
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