I had given thought of where I could read/post about electric bikes and scooters in the advrider forum, and after reviewing what type of bikes & scooters belong here in the scooter thread, it seems appropriate for rides powered by drumming bunnies and coppertops to reside here up to a certain power level. I'll leave it up to the moderators & administrators to edit and update the criteria as the era of EV is upon us and becoming a part of the landscape, er.. roadscape. Giving some thought to where that line is drawn between what constitutes an electric scooter or an electric motorcycle is blurry in some cases. Just looking at my ride, questions immediately follow, "what is that?' etc.. Seems that because the Grom and others like it reside here, it made sense for it's electric clone to be discussed here as well. Notably though, Zero's, Brammo's, and the like are on the other side of the pond; main difference being it's higher motor/controller/battery rating. Now unless you're a volt-head like myself, how do you know where that division between electric wee beastie's/mid-powered electrics end and the other more powerful electric sport/DS/MX begin.. and to the point of this thread, where to post about it? For now there is a pretty wide chasm between e-moto's like the one I ride and a Zero DSR, but there are a number of e-moto's that have just hit the scene in the past few months are filling in the middle ground in price, power, and size. Where do they fit in? Well, a scooter is pretty easy to define: If it has an area forward of the seat that is lower, allowing some sort of passthrough. Secondarily if it has a floorboard, rear engine that moves with the swing arm, an automatic transmission, left hand brake, etc, but we know there are some exceptions to this. Okay, easy enough for anything that meets the definition of a scooter, but what about small bikes? As stated in Photog's sticky, small bikes/wee beasties, are welcome in the scooter forum, but is the criteria we place on defining what a small bike for ICE the same we apply towards electrics? It's clear that motorcycles of 125cc's or less are here, but in the absence of CC's, an electrical converted equivalent must be used. Or perhaps, it's all about the physical size of the bike, irregardless of the power. I know it may seem that I'm asking a question that doesn't need answering, but recently I posted a full size electric bike in the street bike section, only for it to disappear to the 2nd page and beyond in little time, and the only responses were, "it was too slow" and "why is it being posted here", bringing me to where do these mid-powered electrics belong? One had even posted that they think it's about time electric bikes should have their own forum. Mods/Admins are invited to provide their thoughts of course. Until then, I've created this thread as a place where electric scooters & e-moto's can be discussed. As I am not a moderator/admin here, I cannot dictate what exactly should/should not go here, but as an EV enthusiast, I propose all <100v / <10kW electric motorcycles and scooters can be shared and discussed here and since some electric motorcycles and scooters can get pretty small in power, I propose a limit of nothing less than 48v be shared here.