Electric scoots and motos under 100V/10kW

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  1. EvrythingAwesom

    EvrythingAwesom Long timer

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    Nice info, thank you.

    http://www.e-scooters.co.uk/street-riders-jp8000-electric-racing-motorbike-8000w-72v-402-p.asp
    Nice specs. Needs an independent owner review. Hope one gets posted soon here.

    This is the closest I could find by way of reviews:
    http://www.aliexpress.com/72v-hub-motor_reviews.html


    The dual hub motor kit is US $3,249.12
    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Dual...ub-Motor-Conversion-Kits-APT/32365601913.html


    Here's one that is only US $771.63
    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/8000...c-scooter-electric-motorcycle/1398308194.html
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  2. voltsxamps

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    This newly announced electric scooter touts a panasonic lithium pack with decent range for $3388 USD, though some important information (top speed, Ah rating) was notably absent from it's press release.

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    https://cleantechnica.com/2016/09/07/yadea-z3-electric-motorcycle-launches-15-countries/

    I couldn't find anything said about it's top speed, but it's reasonable to expect it to be at least as fast as the avg 50cc scooter (60kph), but considering it's price, something closer to 80kph is needed be truly competitive in markets outside China. The 2 hour charge time and it's max range might be enough to differentiate it from other electric scooters competing at this price point, but I have some doubts that 120km range is typical, unless rode by a light weight rider at speeds of ~20mph with few stops and starts. The 2 hour fast charge time (5 hr normal charge) and max range suggests a 20-25Ah pack, given a high enough C rate, but until a working model can be reviewed or Ah's are published, it's hard to know for sure, but it is promising to see 18650 panasonic cells planned for production. If capable of >80kms of range @ >80kph, it stands a better chance of marketability against conventional 125cc scoots. If the speed isn't there, it may be destined for eco-riders in cities with high traffic congestion.

    From what I can see from their website, Yadea appears to be one of the more established ev manufacturers in China and recently listed on the Main Board of the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited, which for me, helps lend a little more credibility to this product announcement.

    website/videos: http://www.multivu.com/players/English/7915551-yadea-z3-electric-motorcycle/
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    Saw a China-made Gogoro-clone today.
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    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/...rs-self-balancing-electric-motorcycle-report/

    http://litmotors.com/faq/

    Interesting news. I wasn't able to find voltage specifications and other details, but it's unique ability to stay upright has potential. I'd like to see it get funded and produced, though I believe to be competitive, the price point has to come back down to under $20k before subsidies/rebates.

    Since its announcement more than 3 years ago, its expected retail price has already gone up nearly 8 thousand dollars unsubsidized, putting it close to the price of a Tesla III after subsidation (Ca). Hopefully a company like Apple can lend its R&D and supply chain to get the C1 profitably produced at a reasonable price.
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  5. EvrythingAwesom

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    I read the link, and there was a further link to the China-made clone, and it's bigger brother, the incredibly futuristic e-motorcycle.

    Btw, the LIT-ebike idea is copying the successful 2-wheel victor in the legendary European contest, some 10 years ago, with the Swiss-made "LIT-style emotorcycle" winning. This contest was before Tesla, Leaf, etc.

    It was just after the Solar Taxi made 2 round-the-world trips, iirc.



    September 16, 2010
    Super-cars split $10 million in XPRIZE race

    All-Electric Monotracer, X-Prize Winner, Enters Production
    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1073616_all-electric-monotracer-x-prize-winner-enters-production
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    Randomly came across these pedal/battery powered e-bikes from Japan's Terra Motors:

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    The S750 is a mere $672 USD after conversion though it's range and speed are limited to 50km/50kph, due to it's 48vSLA pack. An inexpensive option for those needing a short range 50cc equivalent electric from a *Japanese e-scooter company.

    *though claiming to be "the first ever e-bike from Japan", I suspect that these are made/imported from China, only stating "e-scooter will be manufactured to the highest Japanese standards of quality."

    http://www.terra-motors.com/scooter/s750/

    It's bigger sibling, the A4000i, is pure lithium powered, good for 60km/60kph using a 48v/40Ah pack on a 1000w motor, strong enough to haul two (smallish) people.

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    There's also a pedal-free A2000 model that has performance in between these two.

    Curiously, their logo looks very similar to Telsa's with a circle around it. (Probably done on purpose) No mention of a US dealer network though. Not bad looking, priced well, and has decent power/range, I believe these could sell well in congested Ca cities like the bay area, LA/Orange county, and SD where I see a lot of 50cc scooters running around.
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    I've been watching Lit motors for years as their self balancing vehicle has intrigued me from day one. That said, other than some teaser videos there has been almost nothing out of them for a couple years. Maybe an alliance/buyout by Apple will change that!
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    Interestinf find. This is an unusual e-scooter. Here's why..

    - Priced 4X higher than the NUI N1, with similar specs.

    - Has 60 self-diagnosing sensors that will report back to "mommy" aka Big Brother(?)

    - Zadea states this is a "racing motorcycle". I've ridden this chassis-type, and found the ride super-hard (unpleasant) and gave up, after for 2 kms.

    - Apparently requires a smartphone. Well, in Europe, the sales for e-scooters are 50 unit a year, average, per company, for escooters at this price level.


    I predict this Yadea unit will be a white elephant .. unless Tesla gives one away with every Model 3, lol.


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    EDIT: Perhaps someone in Taiwan, Vietnam, etc, could comment.


    CAUTION: Don't click on the Yadea website's videos. Made my browser hand up.



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    FURTHER EDIT:

    Found the specifications page. http://www.yadea.com.cn/en/index.php/products/info/60

    60V
    Max Discharge Current(A) 35A
    Max torque(N.m) 120


    MY PAPER REVIEW: This has less torque than the $1300 Egrom's in the Boom thread in AdvRider. This Z3 doesn't appear to have 6" to 9" tunable gas suspensions, which is what a truly high-end $3500 electric scooter should have. The form factor is nice, but room for storage seems insufficient. Could be a magnet for thieves, given the price. The 60 diagnostic points is too complex, and won't work in real life, even though it works in a bench test.




    Yadea Launches Z3 Electric Motorcycle with Enhanced Efficient Dynamics
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    According to this YouTube video, India just now entered the Lithium-battery electric scooter market. The reliable 48V LIFEPO4 batteries from China for electric scooters started shipping in 2011 and were found to be "reliable enough" in 2012. I have one of these China-made Lithium (not LiPO) e-scooters.

    So, welcome, and we hope to see your e-scoots, in person! Maybe send a free demo unit to VoltsXAmps, who will be a beta-tester par excellance.

    Hero Optima DX: A quick look at India's first Lithium-ion battery powered bike| Digit.in




    A really-tiny el-moto, c/o India:
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  12. EvrythingAwesom

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    When buying an electric scooter or motorcycle, be aware that the most efficient motors have no Back EMF. (completely non-cogging)


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    Came across an interesting article on building your own 72v motorcycle:

    Full article:
    http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-build-a-72Volt-electric-motorcycle/
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    Union Motion, a startup based in the UK, launched the ‘Phaser Type 1’ this week to showcase what they can do when it comes to creating custom electric bikes.

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    ~$21,500 USD

    https://electrek.co/2016/10/05/custom-electric-motorcycles-are-coming-and-they-look-stunning/
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    Thanks for finding that obscure article. There are more photos in the article.

    Quiz for advrider whizzes .. how many potential problems can you find with this el-moto? Chime in, with your "paper reviews" and constructive criticism of this bike.
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    Rimac, the same maker of the world's first electric hypercar, has been involved in making electric bikes ever since 2013. Last year, they released the G12S, capable of reaching speeds of up to 80 km/h (just under 50 mph) using the "Chuck Norris" mode (12kW)

    The 1.5kWh G12S tipped the scales at 48.5 kg (107 lbs) and received nifty feats such as a fingerprint reader that also allows you to select modes, a color 4.3" color touchscreen offering a ton of data. Recharging from 0 to 100% takes 80 minutes on a standard outlet and the Sony cells have a minimum life of 1000 cycles while still maintaining 75% capacity.

    For twin the range, it's successor, the
    G12H uses a 3 kWh battery pack capable of traveling up to 150-miles (240 km) between charges at a speed limited 28 mph (45 km/h) in order to avoid needing registration in most states and countries. Override the speed G12H's speed limiter and you have a long range urban motorbike capable of decent speeds.

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    The new bike will be available soon for a yet undisclosed price. Expect it to be quite expensive, though, as the G12S was $9355.

    http://www.autoevolution.com/news/r...40-km-maximum-range-111952.html#ixzz4MjCoEdlu


    I'm a fan of any vehicle bold enough to feature a "Chuck Norris" mode.
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    8ight Ltd is a New Zealand based company that has created a small minimalist el-moto with city travel in mind.

    The 75kph (non-limited) top speed is decent from a 72v setup and it's 30 minute max run time at peak is also respectable. I'd like to know more about USD price/DOT compliance (it can always be imported and retrofitted to comply).



    Specification

    Chassis: Monocoque 5052 aluminium
    Batteries: Li-ion Polymer batteries (72V 22Ah & 72V 30Ah)
    Motor: 72 volt 2000 watt brushless DC hub motor
    mounted inside the rear wheel
    Brakes: 2 pot caliper hydraulic disc brakes front and rear

    Performance

    Top Speed: 50km/h (electronically limited)
    75km/h (unlimited)

    Stats

    Weight: 70kg
    Overall Length: 1800mm
    Overall width: 650mm
    Over height: 1080mm
    Endurance: 30 minutes at continuous peak power (72V 27.8A)
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    This little 48v/500w/11.6Ah e-bike features a 3 speed rear hub for a leisurely ride down the bike lanes in cruiser style electric. Not the fastest for the money, nor can it's small battery get you very far on e-juice alone, but if you want to pedal in style, this might fit the bill.

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    Available in black, red, or white for $ 2,350.00

    http://phantom-bikes.com/shop/motorized-bicycles/phantom-electric-vision/

    Like the look. Not so crazy about the price. Why are e-bikes so expensive?? If I did purchase one, I'd be bringing a charged spare battery with me to swap in as 11.6Ah won't get me very far without pedaling.
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    Only takes 90 minutes to fully charge the battery for 100 kilometers of range

    The Gesits has a 5-kilowatt-hour (kWh) lithium ion battery that drives a 96-volt engine capable of running at 3,000 revolutions per minute (rpm) and produce torque reaching 15 Newton meters (Nm) - equal in ability to the many 150cc gasoline-fueled automatic scooters currently sold on the market.

    Garansindo has currently received as many as 22,000 orders consisting of 10,000 from the Bali Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Expected to meet customer orders by 2018, when it plans to manufacture about 100,000 units annually for ~US$1,406

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/11/12/ri-made-electric-motorcycle-its-way-market.html

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    Chassis
    : Tubular
    Length: 1910 mm
    Width: 695 mm
    Height: 1,110 mm

    Mileage
    : 85-100 km
    Motor power: 5 KW
    Battery: 50 volt, 40 AH
    Total weight: 120 kg

    Transport capacity
    : 150 kg
    Max speed: 110 km / h
    Energy consumption: 50 km / kwh
    Move power: Belt

    http://www.tinuku.com/2016/10/89.html
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    Gogoro Celebrates 15,000 Smartscooters Sold
    Another 5,000 Smartscooters™ have been added to the streets of Taiwan since this summer.

    • 36 million kilometers ridden by owners
    • 270 GoStation® battery swapping stations deployed, including energy expansion into two major cities in the south of Taiwan
    • More than 9,600 battery swaps per day
    • 1,700,000 liters of gasoline saved plus 3,200 tons of CO2 emissions saved


    Gogoro has also been nominated for a Beazley Designs of the Year award and have a Smartscooter on display at the London Design Museum through February 19, 2017.
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