So, by your own admission you know nothing about off road riding yet you seek to STOP any discussion/comparison of the 800GS with the DR or looking at off road abilities/use of both bikes or other bikes? It's all part of it. I don't follow GS threads much .... are there many comparing a DR/KLR/XR-L, KTM 640/Husky/ to the F800GS? If you've never ridden your F800GS off road .... and don't plan to ... why did you buy it? Or is this going to be "your first dual sport bike" ? Jesus, I hope not. Little tip here from a old dirt bike phart : Novice Old guys on heavy street bikes trying to ride in the dirt equal a world of pain and misery. See pics above!