Entry level machines?

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  1. Twin-shocker

    Twin-shocker Long timer

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    Wonder if anyone feels the sport is suffering somewhat due to the lack of entry level beginner friendly machines on the market currently?

    Back in the day there was the TY175 but with the demise of the SY125 Scorpa there dont seem to be many user friendly bikes available new currently.

    I get the feeling that many newcomers will end up with 300, 290, 280cc machines and will then be confronted with a learning curve so steep that some might give up and try something other than trials?
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  2. heffergm

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    You mean other than the Beta 200... And the Beta 125... and the Scorpa, Sherco, TRS and GG 125's? The bikes aren't the issue.
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  3. fprintf

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    Well certainly the pricing differential between the 200 and the 300 sized machines isn't much, so most people in the sport buy the biggest bike. By far the easiest size bike to get locally is a 300. From a manufacturers standpoint the bikes have to cost about the same to make as the smaller machines have every bit of the tech as the larger ones.

    Anyway I saw a video on a dirt bike channel of a guy learning trials and he'd bought a GasGas Contact 250, which is about $1000 cheaper than a Beta 200. So they do exist. And I'm already a trials bike snob because my immediate thought was that he should have gotten a real trials bike.
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  4. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    Sherco/Scorpa has a new model TY125F. Not available in the USA, but Sherco model is in Canada. Canadian price converts to US$ 4500 and that’s about $3000 less than a Sherco 125 2T standard model.
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  5. Twin-shocker

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    I wonder do you think there is any reason why the 200 Beta is priced higher? Here in the UK the 200 is in very high demand and they are pretty difficult to get.
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  6. Twin-shocker

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    Sounds a perfect entry level bike Norman! Only downside is if its fitted with a Chinese clone motor.
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  7. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    As I posted in the separate thread about this bike...
    https://advrider.com/f/threads/2019-sherco-125-four-stroke.1344294/

    Scorpa UK has already sold out of its first allotment of this bike. Nigel Birkett is riding one at the present time and describes it as “Brilliant” and feels the motor is a very high quality Yamaha copy.
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  8. heffergm

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    Higher than what? It's $500 less than the 250. All Betas are priced differently based on capacity. The 125 is cheaper than the 200, is cheaper than the 250, etc. They don't churn out a lot of 200s, they always sell out early here as well.
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  9. Twin-shocker

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    I get the feeling that Gas Gas probably also used to suggest the Randonee motor was a high quality Yamaha copy! Time will tell and if the motors stay in one piece it should be exactly what the sport needs!
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  10. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    We will just have to see how well they hold up?
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    The best entry level machine is a good ten year old bike. As usual, we have had a lot of new riders in the last 5 years and most are no where in site anymore.
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  12. heffergm

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    Trials, it turns out, is hard ;)
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    If it were easy, everyone would do it. :evil
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  14. fprintf

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    And then you have golf... it is hard and everyone does it anyway! (though I hear they are also having huge issues with dwindling participation)
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    The new Tenaci Wong is $4340 but a better buy is a used established brand. We'll have to wait and see how this China bike pans out. It fits the entry level bike definition. Cheap, easy power, electric start.
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  16. Twin-shocker

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    When you notice the number of forum posts from people wanting to detune a modern machine and the number of riders struggling to find grip in slippery conditions its pretty obvious modern WTC inertia machines are not particularly user friendly and are probably the main reason many newcomers to the sport give up after a relatively short time?

    Maybe the sport is headed in the wrong direction as many potential newcomers are likely to be frightened off by watching WTC videos and if they do go ahead and get a bike will in many cases spend more time fighting it than actually riding it and becoming familiar with the basic trials techniques?
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  17. 10K

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    $4,000 should get you a good modern trials machine. :ricky
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  18. Twin-shocker

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    Question is how many riders can use even 30% of the full potential of a modern WTC inertia machine? WTC is certainly impressive to watch but is it something which is helping make the sport more popular and encouraging entry level riders to take part?
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  19. North ride

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    I think the draw of the big motored bikes is they make such fun play bikes for anybody with any moto experience. The low level sections I've ridden this past summer in competition could have been ridden on a old tl 125 or the Scorpa 125 4t with no issues. But people ride these bikes for mountain riding, just play and Single track. I find the 260 honda with a fast throttle ok for play riding pretty satisfying. Tried a 300 factory 2t that thing was very fun.
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  20. Twin-shocker

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    Yes WTC inertia is great fun to ride as a play bike, but maybe not quite so good for an entry level rider interested in improving?
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