Everyone keeps asking for a middle weight, twin cylinder, adventure bike...

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by ParleG, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. ParleG

    ParleG Novice

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    I know there are a lot of people asking for a middle weight (400-650cc) displacement adventure bike that is twin cylinder instead of a thumper...

    As far as I'm able to tell, the only one that's being made by a major manufacturer is the Suzuki V-Strom. So my question is: why isn't this bike more popular?

    It seems to check a lot of boxes. I was able to sit on one today, and it feels comfortable, grounded, and capable. Is there any specific reason why I don't see a lot more of these on the forums?

    I was previously thinking of modifying a KTM 690 Enduro R into an adv bike, or settling for a smaller DRZ400S and get the farkles necessary to make it into an adv bike.

    Can any V-Strom owners chime in?
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  2. BaldKnob

    BaldKnob I Wanna Ride

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    V-Strom= jacked-up streetbike

    It's a very good road-bike and one of the best values out there. They've gone to the ends of the Earth with many satisfied owners but at the end of the day, it is still just a dirty SV in ugly clothing.

    For myself, I'm looking for a smooth twin that weighs closer to 400lbs than 500, with enough power to get out of it's own way and isn't going to drain your spirit if you have to make a 2 to 10 hr haul on the interstate. Most importantly, it has to be solid offroad and capable of more than just a dirt road. I wouldn't enter it in a race but I would ride it to one!

    The FJ07 engine in an ADV chassis or 800 AT would do quite nicely!
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  3. ParleG

    ParleG Novice

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    AT 800 would be a dream come true! Or even a skinny AT 650... drool
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  4. tomo8r

    tomo8r Long timer

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    200kg is heavy, not middleweight.
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  5. XRman

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    The dl650 suspension is old tech
    .it is too heavy.
    Poor acess to the air filter.
    Oil filter is vulnerable.
    Plastics fasteners suck. Too easily broken and complex.
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  6. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue Supporter

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    I have a 2012 dl650 and I really like it for what it does well: long road trips, dirt roads and easy 2 track. However, to get it to perform well you have to upgrade the suspension, add a fork brace, skid plate and handguards.

    I don't consider it a middleweight bike, more of a lighter heavy weight. It's a very good bang for your buck on the used market so you can then make the upgrades without spending the same you would for a more updated bike. I bought mine new, just did the upgrades this year. The suspension is the biggie, makes a huge difference.

    The bikes are also pretty bombproof.
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  7. eakins

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    I'd say there are a HUGE group of DL650 owners worldwide who would argue this bike is VERY popular.
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  8. CJBDRdude

    CJBDRdude Ridin'offroadCJ

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    I had an 06 model I bought new. Had it for ten years. Unexciting ride. Reliable, but boring and ugly...very ugly. Like a Ford Escort, it will get the job done but as a true(aka real) adventure bike it lacks big time.
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  9. MariusD

    MariusD Long timer

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    VSTROM not popular?!

    Do you know of an adv bike that is more popular than the vstrom?
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  10. plumer1kt

    plumer1kt Adventurer

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    ktm 950/990
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    more popular and more adventure
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  11. Fattytwocakes

    Fattytwocakes Long timer

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    More popular by what figures/statistics?
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  12. greg1

    greg1 Been here awhile

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    I'd like to see Kawi do something with their 650 mill I have a Ninja 650 and I really like that engine. Perhaps it's a heavy engine though. But something similar wouldn't go astray in a bike more suited for off road.

    Likewise, Yamaha cut a cylinder off a R1 engine to get their WR250R mill. So I wonder what sort of engine could be made out of 1/2 of an R1, or even their new Triple in an offroad package. The S10's are too expensive for my tastes, and they're fugly.
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  13. PeterW

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    The DL is surprisingly capable. It's NOT a dirt bike but I've taken mine into (and back out of) places only dirt bikes belonged. If you just want a bike that can go interesting places even if no one has bothered to seal the road it's fine. I've ridden with KTM's and GS's and really it's not a lot less capable and if I'm going to dump a bike on a dirt road I'd far rather dump something that costs what a DL costs than either of the others. As a result I've probably had a lot more fun that I would have had otherwise.

    It's also a LOT better doing long days on dirt than the big singles - I've actually ridden riders on DR's and KLR's into the ground and they've been the ones begged off and took the seal for those last couple of legs while I took the dirt. The insane range is also a plus - about the same range as a GSA once you get off the sealed stuff.

    Yeah, I'd prefer it were lighter but it's certainly not a disappointing bike.
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  14. Pantah

    Pantah Jiggy Dog Fan from Scottsdale Supporter

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    The original KTM 950 came close. Dry weight was claimed about 430lbs. I rode one for 7 years. I did many coast/coast trips and entered the Alcan 5000 twice. It was terrific for southern Utah dirt roads. But it was still too heavy for much adventuring when solo in remote areas. I sold it cheap and bought a 2012 KTM 690 and set it up for long distance. So far the longest trip I've taken on that bike is Boston to Louisville KY. That was a killer. I've improved the bike so that it is much smoother at 75mph, but its not like my old 950, where I was inclined to jump on it last minute and ride it to New Orleans and Nashville. I think a new GS would be perfect for my wondering needs and also the Strom at about half price. But then Honda introduced the new AT! I take delivery of it tomorrow... My first big trip will be to the Black Hills and then across CO to Scottsdale, where I will leave it for the winter. I'll rejoin it mid December and ride it back to Boston in May. Maybe do the IDBDR while I'm at it. But like others have said, the small Strom is not a middleweight in terms of lbs. Only by motor size. Also, Honda has a couple models that are more modern and probably match up pretty well.
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  15. beemerphile

    beemerphile Unreconstructed Southerner Supporter

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    I am still trying to figure out how you sit on a bike in the showroom and determine that it is "grounded" and capable. Well heck, before that, I don't even know what it means to say that a bike is "grounded". Both wheels on the pavement? Kind of like when someone puts on a new set of tires and pronounces that the bike feels "more planted".

    The DL is a heavy unprotected bike with low ground clearance and a budget suspension. Kind of like this early adventure bike...

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    Doesn't look very grounded, but if he makes it, you'd have to call it capable.
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  16. Greg the pole

    Greg the pole There are no stupid questions, only stupid people

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    Save your money, and wait for the baby tenere.
    FZ07 motor as donor. 21/18 hoops, 430LB wet, ABS.
    Can't wait.
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  17. FPGT72

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    You mean like a Versys?

    But that IMHO is pretty far off the mark....and just like a wee.
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  18. rider33

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    I owned a DL650 for a bit, it's a fine bike but one look at that fully exposed header and you know it not intended for much more than gravel. It's also not exactly thrilling tho it makes up for it in reliable competence. In the end the DR seemed a lot more fun than the DL so I sold it. I would love to see a scaled down AT or S10, you know, what those bikes were before CC inflation got the best of them. There are a lot of things you need in the dirt but excess weight and girth is not among them.
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  19. FPGT72

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    You might get it, but the US might not....it would not be the first time.
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  20. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    On the east coast, the R1200GS and KLR650 are the most popular Adv Bikes.
    I would give the bronze to the DL650. Hell, you see just as many pre 2012 models as you do the latest generation. The 645cc engine has made a lot of money for Suzuki.
    They actually just updated the same engine for the SV650 (61mpg claimed). I would be shocked if the DL650 did not have a major upgrade for either 17 or 18.

    I was able to get a test ride in on the 2012 model and she handles really well in the curves with slow speeds.

    I recommend buying a brand new DR650 and making her more street than buying a brand new DL650XT and making her more dirt.
    There are already some good deals on used XTs.
    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2015-suzuki-vstrom-dl650xt-in-n-ga.1157190/

    Asking for $7,750 obo.

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    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2015-suzuki-vstrom-dl650xt-in-n-ga.1157190/
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