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Discussion in 'Dakar champion (950/990)' started by oldfuddy, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    Run B class. You won't be last. You will surprise some people and get asked a million questions. It's a hoot!
  2. Power Slider

    Power Slider Adventurer

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    Anytime I have the SE somewhere that riders are, it always gets attention. Causes dirt bike guys to drool and scratch their crotches
  3. se950

    se950 Been here awhile

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    Add a few mils of fork oil this will help the front from bottoming and the tyre rubbing the guard
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  4. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    It will still hit and hard enough to be an issue.
  5. Power Slider

    Power Slider Adventurer

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    My forks have higher than OEM spring rate, valving, and oil...still took out the fender louvers.
  6. se950

    se950 Been here awhile

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    What's your fork sag with you sitting on it?
    Get wifey to mark with a vivid at the fork seal, then put the bike on a stand. Should be around 50mm, change the preload to suit, or you may need a heavier spring. It's not good to be bottoming out.
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  7. uk_mouse

    uk_mouse Aquatic adventurer

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    Or put a cable tie around the fork slider to mark how far it has compressed.

    General wisdom for dirt bikes is that the sag should be about 10% of the stroke without the rider on the bike, and about 30% with you sat on.

    Although for a heavy adv bike, it's likely the static sag (the first figure) will be more than 10%, so say 50mm static and about 80mm rider sag would be in the right ballpark.

    I'm not disagreeing with se950 specifically, everyone has their own preferences.
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  8. godwinmt

    godwinmt They call me Crash

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    I'm pretty sure if @alvincullumyork replaced his forks with lengths of 48mm steel pipe he'd still find a way to crack a 216 fatty into the radiator...
  9. Power Slider

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    Your thoughts are useful (and appreciated) in terms of establishing sag and proper spring rate; nonetheless, a proper spring rate, increased oil to increase compression in lower 3rd of stroke, and adjusting preload won't (and shouldn't) prevent the forks from going through the full range of stroke under aggressive riding rough terrain.
    Finding bottom occasionally is permissible and suggests you're having fun...just like with your lover:viking
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  10. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    Pretty much what @godwinmt said. It's a 450 pound monster. There is only so much that suspension can do. It is the limiting factor on this bike for me. It has been rebuilt and sprung for my weight by someone who has ridden with me and has a reputation for big bike suspension. Maybe if I bought cone valves but I'm not dropping that kind of coin on this bike, especially when I can't even get a shock to match.
  11. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    :lol3
  12. Whodatschrome

    Whodatschrome Long timer

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    I was possibly thinking about heading South to race the Virginia City Grad Prix on my 525EXC at the end of April...then I saw that they have a true “Adventure bike” class (multi- cylinder, not for the 690/701 enduro bikes). The only bummer is that the ADV class only races on a “short course” not the long. Seems like a bummer to me, but since I’ve never done that event before, I have no idea what the terrain is like. Maybe it’s a good thing that they’re only doing the short course?...I dunno.

    https://www.vcgp.com/
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  13. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    Our buddy Brian Englund has a badass picture of him launching a paved jump on his SE at that race.
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  14. Power Slider

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    Where can one find the picture? That sounds rad. Can you post it?
  15. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    Not as high as I probably made it out to be still one of my favorite SE pictures.

    Screenshot_20190306-142408_Instagram.jpg
  16. Power Slider

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    Def rad!!!
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  17. Whodatschrome

    Whodatschrome Long timer

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    Thanks for posting that up Alvin. That’s a sweet pic. He’s probably higher than that picture makes it out to be, since that’s not the greatest of angle to take a pic. I should probably just give Brian a call to get the down low on the adv class for that race.
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  18. gearheadE30

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  19. alvincullumyork

    alvincullumyork Ol Two Flags Supporter

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    You'd better win Andrew Hugebreast!!! If you don't Imma punch you right in the nuggets!!!*

    *at least kanoodia and the other guy....
  20. Power Slider

    Power Slider Adventurer

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    Has anyone seen these graphics before?
    My SE is a 2009 Erzberg Edition. Bike came stock with Erzberg Graphics on it, but these were in a roll (unmounted) included with manual and stuff I got from previous owner. Knowing him and owner (original) before him, I'm quite certain they are factory and not aftermarket. The design is a mix of skulls, tire tracks, and KTMs.
    SE pic 1.jpg SE pic 2.jpg
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