f5irehose OFFICIAL Dakar 2015 COVERAGE - THANKYOU ALL posters & lurkers

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  1. Carlos M

    Carlos M www.motoxplorers.com

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    Good Morning,

    - Lavigne confirmed yesterday that bikes would be crossing the Salar.
    - Cars yesterday had has Flash Info that bikes are having today as Special Release - "motorcycles will start from CP2 "

    Looking at what happened yesterday with the cars my guess is that everyone starts from the DSS on the map, then across the Salar with only one WP in the middle and the first CP is CP2 (there's no CP1). So, after DSS we will get to WP8, like it happened with the cars yesterday. Waves of 30 bikes, Barreda and Coma in the same wave.
  2. babuja

    babuja Been here awhile

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    Still didn't get the strange times of Walkner yesterday? He lost 17, 20" in WP4 than in the next he was only losing 1,32"??
  3. Balkan Boy

    Balkan Boy Long timer

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    Hello all.

    I woke up this morning, and my first thought was: If Barreda wins the Dakar, he'll be remembered as the first to have won it single-handedly. :evil
  4. homerj

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    Groan.....
  5. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    there' been a lot of discussion/debate (both here and elsewhere) about how what where and when/if Barreda can repair/buy/borrow import and fit a new/used/borrowed pair of bars or if he has to repair the ones he's got; so :deal

    1. The Marathon stage from Iquique to Uyuni and the return leg to Iquique is defined as "no outside service from service teams OR other parties - other than carried on/by the competitor OR other competing vehicle (Quad or MOTO).

    2. The competitors ARE allowed to assist each other, swap out parts from each others bike and/or use anothers spares (if carried on their vehicle).

    3. Strictly speaking the CANNOT buy materials at the local store etc. HOWEVER for the majority of the field this is unpolicable, and in any case for the majority 80% of the field running bum f#¤% nowhere down in the order, the commisiares would likely turn a blind eye in any case... it is unpoliceable in most cases - as helicopter drops to bearded cavemen types under cover of darkness in the past, have no doubt proven. :D

    HOWEVER for a rider engaged in the battle for overall first place... NEITHER the ASO scrutineers, the FIM jury OR the competition from the KTM camp are going to allow the slightest deviation from what is in the regulation. As the photo's show the ever present yellow jackets in every photo of BamBam in the bivouac service area.

    4. The Marathon biviouac in Uyuni is deemed "Parc Ferme" in the respect that NO OUTSIDE PERSONEL OR MATERIAL - other than that which the ORGA make provision for - CAN BE BROUGHT IN FROM OUTSIDE. Though the competitors ARE free to work/repair their machines while inside tyhe marathon bivouac zone.

    The competitors DO NOT have access to their own MALLE MOTO style boxes; only what the y have with them and some workshop facility, tools etc. that the ORGA provide for ALL competitors to access.


    So from the picture evidence I have seen (here and elsewhere) that HRC has secured another pair of bars (presumeably from another Honda competitor - whom exactly I have not heard definitively) and these will be fitted to Barredas machine... presume 100% fighting fit for the second part of the marathon stage back to Iquique.

    One assumes (and photo evidence seem to indicate Gonk performing such) that the broken bars were repaired in a provisionary form - using welders/material at hand by the ORGA - and fitted on the "donors" motorcycle (or quad?).

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  6. mlo7

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    Now that the stage is shortened, how late will they start the SS?
  7. Carlos M

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    :nod that's what it looks like. Various spanish tweets are claiming that Barreda got Israel's bars (that must have been the first decision, while HRC looked for another solution) and that Israel got argentinean Guiral's. Guiral is either out (or they mended the broken bars and he'll have to make do with these).
  8. ssason

    ssason Been here awhile

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    I just read a statment by von Zitzewitz about yesterdays Stage. He wrote that they did some sort of NASCAR like slipstream race with Nasser over the salt..... doing 196km/h.....
  9. Myway

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    Llica is CP 2

    Just like yesterday

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    from the pdf:
    ETAPA 8: Uyuni (BOL) | Iquique (CHI)
    11 y 12 de enero de 2015
    ACCESO A ZONA DE ESPECTADORES 4 (Autos 11/01 y Motos|Quads 12/01)
    Luca – Bolivi
    Horario Estimado: 10:12 A | 10:07 M/Q (Hora Bolivia GMT -4)

    KM de la Sección Selectiva: 276

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  10. SteveDennehy

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    STAGE 8 - Iquique to Uyuni
    Connection: 24km / Stage 784km
    We have just heard that the start of the stage, that was changed last night to be on the salt pans today, was delayed due to it being freezing cold, dark and raining... Due to the rain, the start can not be on the salt pans anymore and riders are now waiting to hear the new plan.

    Any truth to this? :ear
  11. homerj

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    Nothing on the live feed or in the press releases. Doesn't mean it's not true but you'd think they'd put something like that out as soon as they'd made the decision.
  12. JMo (& piglet)

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    My brief review of yesterday...

    Summary of stage 7 for the bikes (stage 8 for the cars):

    The first half of the Bolivian Marathon stage was just over 700kms, with 321km of that distance timed special stage. With the drama of the day before in the car class (including two vehicles end over end barrel rolling within a few minutes of each other), and deteriorating weather conditions on Saturday night, meant the motorcyclists were undoubtably weary of what they might find, and indeed would have to ride with an eye on self-preservation if they were to complete the return leg on Monday (today) with minimal mechanical mishaps.

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    photo. #2 Joan Barreda rode the remainder of the stage with a broken handlebar!

    Undoubtably the biggest casualty of 'Dakar luck' on stage 7 was the current Moto leader in the overall standings, Honda HRC's #2 Joan Barreda-Bort - who suffered a fall at around km 200 on the special stage and had to ride the remaining 120km with a 'broken' handle bar!

    Reports are unclear whether the bar was actually complete broken at the accident site itself, or if it only bent initially and subsequently snapped during the final sector - but either way, to ride at race pace (only 6 minutes off the stage winner, team-mate #7 Paulo Goncalves) one-handed shows incredible talent, dexterity and bravery.

    Photos from the Marathon bivouac last night showed Barreda welding/repairing his bars - and there is no doubt that this front-runner will not be 100% ready to continue the fight for first place in the morning.

    Further down the field, I am delighted to report that Torque Racing rider #148 Mikael Berglund and his Malle Moto brother #149 Anders both made it to the Marathon bivouac safely, picking up a few places in the process finishing 78th and 79th respectively, meaning thay are now in the top 100 in the overall standings at this half-way point in the race.

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    Malle Moto rider #149 Anders Berglund arriving in Uyuni yesterday, just behind his brother Torque Racing rider #148 Mikael Berglund.

    #134 Clayton Jacobsen also completed stage 7 - currently showing in last place (110th), and undoubtably now feeling the pressure of the 'snowball' effect after spending two nights sleeping in the dunes the previous week. Rest well Clayton - every day is now one step closer to the finish! Sadly it appears that #143 Wessel Bosman is no longer in the race.

    #29 Laia Sanz once again proved she has the mettle to run with the fastest Dakar riders - with another top twenty finish (18th today), keeping her comfortably in the top 15 in the overall standings.

    In the car class, the 2nd half of the Marathon stage was more about preservation - #308 Robby Gordon taking it uncharacteristically easy during their return leg (although with reports of 'cruising at 120mph over the Salar during the initial 133km straight-line back towards the Chilean boarder!) - and ultimately oil pressure problems meant he finished way down in 42nd spot yesterday. Clearly that car is going to need a total rebuild on rest-day today.

    The results of my followed competitors here:

    bikes (stage 7):

    18th #29 Laia Sanz
    47th #103 David Reeve
    66th #125 Albert Hintenaus (Malle Moto)
    72nd #135 Jeroen van Daele
    73rd #75 Llewelyn Pavey
    76th #76 Simon Pavey
    78th #148 Mikael Berglund
    79th #149 Anders Berglund (Malle Moto)
    110th #134 Clayton Jacobsen

    cars (stage 8):

    7th #302 Stephane Peterhansel
    29th #322 Cyril Despres
    42nd #308 Robby Gordon
    46th #353 Stephane Henrard (Herbie)

    TBC #354 Tom Coronel - reports saying that Tom has elected to once again sleep in his solo-seat car on the stage, and will finish into the rest-day bivouac in the morning.

    Jx
  13. JMo (& piglet)

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    And my preview of todays stage, from what I've been able to glean from the 'hose here earlier today...

    Dakar Day 9 preview (stage 8 for the bikes, rest day for the cars):

    The news this morning is that due to overnight heavy rain, the huge salt-lake bed Salar de Uyuni that the cars we able to cross yesterday is now too wet for the bikes to subsequently follow, so the initial 24km liaison has been extended around the north of the Salar along the original stage route (as per the route map below) with a revised start at CP2 - effectively shortening the huge Special Stage considerably from the original 781km distance.

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    In conjunction with the 250km in the second half that is already nutralised (red dashes on the map) - it would appear the organisation have really cut the riders some slack today. That is not to say the total distance covered will be any less, only that much of it will not be hard-charging against the clock - and instead riders today will have focus on their target times and preserving their machines at what is still only the half-way distance of the Dakar this year.

    Fortunately for the spectators at least, the final sector of the special stage today will include the dramatic decent down the huge Iquique dune into the bivouac to finish.

    Jx
  14. Anders F

    Anders F Been here awhile

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    They only rode together until wp3 yesterday. After that, Anders went faster. I think they ride together when they both feel the need of it otherwise they drive in own speed.
  15. JMo (& piglet)

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    There was a post earlier on the Live feed (edit. vai Garfey - page 434) and copied here, that the liaison would be extended to CP2, and they would start the Special from there...

    However, that seems to have been removed from the Dakar.com site now.

    I can't see why they can't run the whole stage (around the top of the Salar) as originally planned? - unless they never intended to run it of course, hoping the Salar would be clear...

    Salt-gate?

    Jx
  16. Carlos M

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    President Evo Morales has arrived to DSS now. Also heard DSS at 08h00 argentina time, that would give F5re in the hole in 23 minutes.

    Bolivean TV is saying mass start 30 bikes, so the Salar stands (according to TV - usually not the truest of sources :D). It lookes freezing brgggggghhh...

    http://new.livestream.com/accounts/10468276/boliviatv
  17. griesgram999

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    Does anyone know, in va Gereven made it to ASS yesterday?
    trackingdakar shows 110 riders with a finishing time and dakar.com shows 111 starters for today.
  18. Myway

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    Still unknow, van Gerven is between CP 1 and ZE says the tracker, but maybe plugged out.

    Gerven :wink: twitter
  19. Carlos M

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    DSSGATE

    TV Bolivia says taht at DSS pilots were trying to refuse the start!
  20. Myway

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    I put a new line with Special release under it, the comment is removed stage 8