Fantasy mini-ADV twin.....

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by John Ashman, Nov 12, 2014.

  1. SocalRob

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    Quite a few aftermarket fuel possibilities. I would guess wet weight to be sub 400 lbs.
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    137 kg and a whopping 37 hp !
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    I use to have this......2 of them in fact !
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    I wish they’d just take the Versys-X 300 and make it look like an old R80G/S or R80 ST
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    Aprilia is about to roll out a new sport bike (RS660) with a parallel twin making 100 hp. The bike weighs 330 lbs.

    It seems to me that motor would be excellent in lighter versions of their Pegaso or Dorsoduro. My adventurized Dorsoduro 750 weighs 410 dry and has 92 hp. If they could shave it down to 350 lbs with the 660 twin, it would be a winner.

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    The specs on the RS660 are all still speculative. 100 hp from an engine this size will be a stretch; if they pull it off, it will be a high-revving street motor, not at all suited for anything but tarmac. The 335 lbs weight estimate is also a stretch. I really hope that they make it - I'll buy the first one in the USA. But it is not a torque-biased motor that is needed for an ADV bike, and any frame/subframe/suspension will weigh a lot more than 335 lbs in ADV trim. This is pre-release marketing, not engineering.
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    I really like the Dorsoduro 750 and test rode one. I wish Aprilia would take that bike a little further down the ADV path with some revisions like spoke wheels and more suspension travel etc. It would be a natural alternate model for them and could simply be sold as their "Adventure" model side by side with the standard one.

    I thought it was a pretty sweet bike to ride and a nice balance between weight, power, nimbleness, etc. and that 750 V-twin is very nice once fueled right.
  10. John Ashman

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    It will no doubt have a very short stroke peaky engine, but they could stroke it a bit and put it up in the 700-750cc range for a lot more torque and smoother power band. Basically what Triumph did for the Tiger 800 engine.

    Though I think Honda is retarded for not bringing out a new TransAlp with the 471 twin. Or maybe Yamaha will stroke its 321cc engine and make a 450 Tenere Twin.
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    I suspect this year's Eicma will be very fruitfull with new and unexpected ADV bikes.
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    Kawi might just a new KLR for you this year.
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    If this comes to pass, which I'm sure it will, where are the big 4 on this market? I'm now wondering being in the US will we get a 490 & the 390?

    Would Kawasaki answer with a Versys 400? Or if Suzuki released something like a DL450 I'd be all over that.

    Looks like KTM are going to lead the charge
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    Honda's updated CB500X looks pretty sweet. Can't get it here in Mexico though, I'd have to take a trip north to get one. But they should really be building Yamaha is totally underutilizng its 321cc engine. And it seems like Kawasaki could really move up the ladder with a 400cc version of the Versys, or even better, a twin replacement for the KLR. They can catch up and stay in the game. But they might want to hurry. And I'm betting that KTM will do it better. Not sure how Honda can't take the hint, of all these companies, and build a small Enduro twin.
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    If Aprilia put the RXV/SXV 450/550cc together properly back in 2006 from the get go i could only imagine the what the current models would be with today's frenzie in a TRUE lightweight ADV bike that the market wants!
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    Yes, and it's so bizarre. They could have salvaged that engine, detuned it to make it reliable and could have sold that bike forever in various versions. Aprilia is a ghost of what it was. I'm really surprised they're still in business. Most of the time, I've forgotten they exist at all.
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    Aprilia is now owned by piaggio, so technically They are not in business any more.
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    So has your fantasy been realized yet with the new 390 KTM?
    Or is it still out there?