Fantasy mini-ADV twin.....

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by John Ashman, Nov 12, 2014.

  1. Traumat1x

    Traumat1x Been here awhile

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    Kawasaki Versys 650 Parralel twin in a modernized KLE 500 frame lightened up somewhat, add switchable ABS.

    There you go, probably a 370lb Wet bike with a good engine, good ergos.
    If they can just get over the damn KLR :D

    :deal
    In the meantime if you don't want to ride with a pillion or lots of luggage get a KTM 690, if you do want pillion option get a F800GS until such time as this Fantasy mini Adv comes along.

    Life is too short to wait around for the perfect bike...thus far they don't exist yet and probably not even a twinkle in the eye for the bean counters.
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  2. Maxacceleration

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    Guess I have to get after it (regarding the 500X), if the below quote and reply means anything. :D

    Agreed!

    Buy'em now, farkle them!

    Thumper, twin, triple, four cylinders, who cares!

    LOL
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  3. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    When you read the Tiger 800 frame thread, it's hard to understand that consumers and companies both don't see the issue with riding a very heavy bike off road.

    The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

    I'm tempted to just get a CRF230 and be done with it for awhile.
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  4. Stu

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    John...

    I've ridden that bike. A nice bike. You would never be satisfied with it. If you want a bike that will be pleasant off road and climb over everything like a trials bike get in line and get the new KTM 250 Freeride 2 stroke. I'd love to have one but that does not satisfy my need to ride across Kansas to Colorado and then ride on trails out there. The Scrambler would do that as long as you were careful once on rough trails. My 500 EXC would also do it geared up for the road and I could drop the counter shaft sprocket 1 tooth and REALLY have fun on the trails. Like me you have to decide what is most fun and "pay your money and take your choice" as the great English Triumph motorcycle engineer, Hal Willis, said. I've made mine. I ordered the 50mm drop in suspension kit for my 500 so I can ride it on the roads and still have decent suspension off road.

    Stu
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  5. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    I prefer the 4 stroke, but it's exactly twice the price of a CRF230. If I get the $200K project I'm stalking, maaaaybe. Less than that....won't be able to rationalize it. Need a new car first for the wife. But no doubt, money no object, I'd get a Freeride 350 for dirt and a Tiger 800XR for street. And then I'd mate them and ride the 530cc twin, 350lb babies........
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  6. Lesharoturbo

    Lesharoturbo Nerdly Adventurer

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    There are several guys who have used the GS500 for adventure or overland bikes. Search Google for some very interesting information.

    I too believe that the GS500 platform would be a good start. It is fairly light weight, rugged engine and seems to have few issues. It just needs a suspension update, new tires/wheels, luggage racks and re-routing of the exhaust to make a decent contestant in my opinion. A few engine tweaks could net close to 45RWHP.
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  7. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    Have they retired this engine?
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  8. JerryK

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    Or Mid-size Adventure, if you like.

    Being shorter (31" inseam) and older (66) I decided to make my own.

    Specs:

    950 KTM Adventure frame
    Suzuki SV650 twin motor/electrics
    19" x 17" wheels
    34" seat height
    4 gallon SM tank
    KTM SM-T suspension
    385lbs dry, 435 wet curb weight, as pictured

    So it is possible, but not likely to be produced.

    Attached Files:

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  9. jehu

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    ^ ding, ding, ding!
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  10. John Ashman

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    That is one sweet hybrid. Must have been its own adventure making it all work.

    I was doing a thought experiment and I took a KTM 1190 Adventure R and simply did a 9/10s scale version and you end up with this -

    Suspension - 7.8"
    Ground clearance - 8.85"
    Seat height - 31.5"
    Engine size - 870cc
    Wheels - 19"/17"
    Weight - ~400lbs w/o fuel

    From an engineering standpoint, I don't see any issue with doing this except some bolts and certain standard sizes would have to remain at 1:1 perhaps.

    The ergonomics will simply be more atuned to someone in the 5'6" range than someone in the 6' plus range.
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  11. JerryK

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    9/10th's is about right. That's the 1050 Adventure KTM should have made.
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  12. Maxacceleration

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    Nice one off bike Jerry. How long did it take to fab up, and how well (or poor) did the Suzook fit into the frame? (from vtwin to vtwin)

    Your bike looks finished quite well. :thumb
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    Nice simplification of your build there Jerry. :wink: WOW

    YOU have made the perfect fantasy bike... brought to life.
    Just read your entire thread.

    Again, well done.
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  18. Samtech79

    Samtech79 Two wheeled lunatic

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    Mini tenere body, tank and seat. R3 321 twin with WR suspension... Mmmmm perfect lightweight exploring bike... At least it sounds perfect to me.
    I may have to build me one. Wait around for most of the parts to show up at the wreckers, might be tough to get the tiny tenere parts though.
    Anyone south of the boarder seeing viable parts at the local wreckers?
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  19. John Ashman

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    I haven't investigated, but I should check out what carcasses are around. I do see a lot of broken down Yamaha dirt bikes here. The motors seem to blow up a lot.

    As for the KTM, I HOPE they will make a 500cc-600cc line out of India, because the rest of their line is ridiculous. I' don't want to win races, I just want a decent bike that fits the purpose. Which means reasonable price, reasonable seat height.
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  20. Samtech79

    Samtech79 Two wheeled lunatic

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    If ya find one with a popped motor let me know! Or taco'd wheels, frame, suspension. I'm interested in the body parts, tank and fairing.