February 21st: Lytle Creek To Randsburg To Mojave Brewery Loop

Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by notmybikemodelname, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. bouncing billy

    bouncing billy Been here awhile

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    sorry to have missed the ride but not the carnage,wonder what happened,seems the same group riding at the same pace can someone put their finger on the one thing,everyone heal up ,personally know of a great shoulder and collarbone specialist pm for the info.:freaky
  2. cribaby

    cribaby Dirt/Street? No Wait Dirt

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    Rob, thanks for the ride. I made it home early this afternoon. I had a blast.

    Dale and Ben I hope your recovery goes fast and smooth.

    Charlie
  3. fmfpunk

    fmfpunk Hooligan in training

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    I hear your frustration, but possibly this was the best that everyone could do given the circumstances. I think it's fair to say we look out for each other for the most part.

    I'm surprised to hear of the wrecks. I know i've ridden w/ Ben and i think i have w/ Dale. They seem to be good riders. I guess when your number's up not much you can do. The risk comes w/ the sport. Take it from me, i know how the fun and exuberance of riding can take you out of your comfort zone- look at the scuffs on my bike!

    Hope to see both Dale and Ben on the trail soon.

    Marty
  4. notmybikemodelname

    notmybikemodelname KOTW is a myth!

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    That's a good story, have another one?
    Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest:clap . It was only a matter of time.

    I agree with many of the things said here. But keep in mind, everyone must ride to their own skill level. This is why we always wait at major road/trail changes or about every 20 minutes or so. This allows everyone to feel comfortable riding their own ride and knowing that everyone will always be just a short ride ahead.

    Also, because of the large group that went I made sure to never leave cell phone range ( one of the reasons I did not want to go to Husky). I was texting while we were waiting to see what was up with Joel's bike, and again at Cuddeback. If need be, we could've had an ambulance come in at any point and get someone out. I made sure the trail was never any further than 1/2 mile from a dirt access road. Although to someone whose never been out there, it would appear that we were 100 miles from anywhere.

    Same for hauling out a bike, if anyone has AAA for motorcycles, they will come and get you anywhere a truck can travel and haul your bike up to 200 miles with Premier. If a bike became unrollable, we could've done this, it never came to that.

    Each time we ride, we learn more about how to handle a large group ride. But once again, everyone must bear 100% responsibility for their own actions, and then feel thankful and fortunate that we ride with such a greatly supportive group of people. If we start sniping at the trail leaders and the faster riders for every incident that they had nothing to do with, then no one will volunteer to lead a ride.

    I'm sorry that people got injured and that bikes broke down, but in the end, if you read back on the whole thread for this ride, it was made clear a number of times that some people should at certain locations take the "go arounds". On at least two occasions yesterday I pointed out places where this could occur. No one took my advice.

    Finally, getting injured is just the luck of the draw and happens to everyone. Each time you start your bike take a second to think that today could be your day. This is what makes our sport so exhilarating and keeps us coming back each time whether you want to admit it or not. We are all adrnaline junkies. I have ridden out of locations far more remote than anywhere we were yesterday with broken arms, legs, hands, feet, collar bones etc. Never once did I try to point any fingers at anyone, nor did I ever expect anyone to help me as I made my decision, no one else did. But as I said earlier, I am thankful that there was someone there if I needed the help. We as a group provide that, and I don't feel as though anyone was ever in a gravely dangerous position yesterday of losing their life or suffering life altering injuries.

    I am not in any way trying to devalue the injuries sustained yesterday, as I know what it's like to have these injuries, having busted my collar bone three times. All I am saying is that with a group this large and varied on skill levels and bike choices, these things are bound to happen and as long as we don't snipe at each other we will all continue to ride and have fun together, and there will always be someone to lend a hand if need be. It might not always be to the level that everyone thinks is appropriate, but I'll bet anyone that neither Joel, nor Dale, nor Ben are complaining about the help that they received from everyone who lended a hand.

    And to those people, I thank you.:freaky

    Edit: Only when we were sure that we were at a graded dirt road, more like a dirt freeway all the way to the highway, did we let Ben depart with a very skilled rider and supportive person, Steve (Roundstock). Also, we were only 3-4 miles from the 395 when thye departed. Finally, as far as I understand it, Ben got a ride back to his truck by someone in another truck and he did not ride the full way back. I could be mistaken though. Thanks Steve!
  5. ROUNDSTOCK

    ROUNDSTOCK Been here awhile

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    well looks like i need to proofread before i send my note off,i left the part out that when getting to within 300 yards of the hiway some guys had their bikes loaded and noticed that 1 guy only had 1 bike in his truck ,so i did the math and went and asked him if he would help us out and transport ben as far as possible.he said ok and we got him loaded. i said i would meet him at the school but would probably be late due to speed and a gas stop.ben sorry i missed you at the school, but mike (nowhat)confirmed that you got there ok,............okie dokie...............
  6. Windrat

    Windrat just a poser

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    Here are a few good rules to think about...

    #2 = fast long ass day of riding..most likey not for intermediates or big bikes.

    If we had followed the leaders plan things could have been different.
  7. fmfpunk

    fmfpunk Hooligan in training

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    NMBMN: Well said. Thx.

    Marty
  8. johngil

    johngil Reseda, CA

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    I guess I'm one of the rule breakers. I brought a big bike. I think Rob provided enough info for all considering the ride regarding what to expect.
    I knew the route planned and knew I could bail out and join the group later when needed via some road or highway.
    Even though the day didn't go as planned, I could see the thought put into the ride.
    Thanks Rob.
    BTW, Joel has your tubes, tools, etc.
  9. terranova

    terranova slow and steady

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    Thanks Rob for organizing this event! And thanks to Charlie for suggesting and being a gracious host to us at Camp B! The camping and trails in that area were awesome. Also thanks to Klammer, who led us around the Randsburg area, after meeting him and the group from Dove Springs at the Whitehouse Saloon. We were looking forward to seeing you guys roll in to Randsburg, but after 1:15, we figured that there must be a story. When i got back to Camp B, i was sorry to hear about all the mishaps-- hope you guys heal quickly.
  10. CCer

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    +1

    I have the tube used for the figure 8. thanks for the loan, it helped a lot. let me know who you b and i'll get it to you. and many thanks one more time to everyone for your support, both during and after.:thumb
  11. spafxer

    spafxer Long timer

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    I KNOW Ben has to come back better than ever!

    He PROMISED me my long green tow rope would be wound back up just like when it came from that large Chinese factory...

    I'm counting on you BEN! :rofl:clap



    I too am big bike endowed.. I always try to ride my own ride. A couple of points.

    1) Modern bikes with good handling and suspension allow me to ride a little over my head. The consequences of doing this may not always come out "the best" I will take responsibility for that.

    2) After a group stop, I preferred to ride about 3 or 4 riders from the rear. For some reason (out of shere politeness I think) riders signalled for me to take off, then almost immediately wanted to pass. I usually drop back, not as much for safety, but to get out of breathing the dust. I see others ride right up to the lead bike before the dust cloud has a chance to rise up to breathing level...:eek1

    3) I thought the ride route on Saturday was not all that difficult. Of course sand washes can be hard to read after a good rain. We have all hit rocks that have almost pitched us over the bars.

    4) I know ALL of us crossed trails too fast, if another bike / car was driving on it would have been a major collision. Nowhat told us at Kramer that he had stopped and signalled us to make a turn. Our tunnel vision did not allow us to see him for some reason. We were almost at Kramer, and I assumed we stayed on that trail until arrival..? :scratch

    5) We did not split into the A B groups soon enough, since we were making good time until the break down. I wasn't there so my speculation was now we are running behind and "We have to get there "ITIS" may have set in. We had a goal, we tried to make it, it didn't happen this time. Pilots do this all the time, it can kill you if you take it to the extreme.

    6) A friend of mine was a very competitive softball player. After getting hurt PLAYING SOFTBALL too many times, he told me he would "pull out his driver's license and remind himself how old he really was! Then he would go out and play HIS AGE. We mature riders don't heal as fast as we used to.

    All in All I had a good time. Had an ADVenture, and am real sorry we had injuries. Thanks Rob for putting this together. :clap We all shall learn from our mistakes I hope.

    jim
  12. spafxer

    spafxer Long timer

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    I KNOW Ben has to come back better than ever!

    He PROMISED me my long green tow rope would be wound back up just like when it came from that large Chinese factory...

    I'm counting on you BEN! :rofl:clap



    I too am big bike endowed.. I always try to ride my own ride. A couple of points.

    1) Modern bikes with good handling and suspension allow me to ride a little over my head. The consequences of doing this may not always come out "the best" I will take responsibility for that.

    2) After a group stop, I preferred to ride about 3 or 4 riders from the rear. For some reason (out of shere politeness I think) riders signalled for me to take off, then almost immediately wanted to pass. I usually drop back, not as much for safety, but to get out of breathing the dust. I see others ride right up to the lead bike before the dust cloud has a chance to rise up to breathing level...:eek1

    3) I thought the ride route on Saturday was not all that difficult. Of course sand washes can be hard to read after a good rain. We have all hit rocks that have almost pitched us over the bars.

    4) I know ALL of us crossed trails too fast, if another bike / car was driving on it would have been a major collision. Nowhat told us at Kramer that he had stopped and signalled us to make a turn. Our tunnel vision did not allow us to see him for some reason. We were almost at Kramer, and I assumed we stayed on that trail until arrival..? :scratch

    5) We did not split into the A B groups soon enough, since we were making good time until the break down. I wasn't there so my speculation was now we are running behind and "We have to get there "ITIS" may have set in. We had a goal, we tried to make it, it didn't happen this time. Pilots do this all the time, it can kill you if you take it to the extreme.

    6) A friend of mine was a very competitive softball player. After getting hurt PLAYING SOFTBALL too many times, he told me he would "pull out his driver's license and remind himself how old he really was! Then he would go out and play HIS AGE. We mature riders don't heal as fast as we used to.

    All in All I had a good time. Had an ADVenture, and am real sorry we had injuries. Thanks Rob for putting this together. :clap We all shall learn from our mistakes I hope.

    jim
  13. spafxer

    spafxer Long timer

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    I KNOW Ben has to come back better than ever!

    He PROMISED me my long green tow rope would be wound back up just like when it came from that large Chinese factory...

    I'm counting on you BEN! :rofl:clap



    I too am big bike endowed.. I always try to ride my own ride. A couple of points.

    1) Modern bikes with good handling and suspension allow me to ride a little over my head. The consequences of doing this may not always come out "the best" I will take responsibility for that.

    2) After a group stop, I preferred to ride about 3 or 4 riders from the rear. For some reason (out of shere politeness I think) riders signalled for me to take off, then almost immediately wanted to pass. I usually drop back, not as much for safety, but to get out of breathing the dust. I see others ride right up to the lead bike before the dust cloud has a chance to rise up to breathing level...:eek1

    3) I thought the ride route on Saturday was not all that difficult. Of course sand washes can be hard to read after a good rain. We have all hit rocks that have almost pitched us over the bars.

    4) I know ALL of us crossed trails too fast, if another bike / car was driving on it would have been a major collision. Nowhat told us at Kramer that he had stopped and signalled us to make a turn. Our tunnel vision did not allow us to see him for some reason. We were almost at Kramer, and I assumed we stayed on that trail until arrival..? :scratch

    5) We did not split into the A B groups soon enough, since we were making good time until the break down. I wasn't there so my speculation was now we are running behind and "We have to get there "ITIS" may have set in. We had a goal, we tried to make it, it didn't happen this time. Pilots do this all the time, it can kill you if you take it to the extreme.

    6) A friend of mine was a very competitive softball player. After getting hurt PLAYING SOFTBALL too many times, he told me he would "pull out his driver's license and remind himself how old he really was! Then he would go out and play HIS AGE. We mature riders don't heal as fast as we used to.

    All in All I had a good time. Had an ADVenture, and am real sorry we had injuries. Thanks Rob for putting this together. :clap We all shall learn from our mistakes I hope.

    jim
  14. Ben99r1

    Ben99r1 Long timer

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    Thanks guys for looking out for me. Roundstock rode with me tell we hit 395 again. When we stopped he told me that he was going to ask someone for a ride for me. Luckly they said yes. Roundstock was running low on fuel. So he told me that he was going to go and gas up and then meet me at the parking lot. We got lucky and got all the lights back to my truck. No need for the rants the guys stayed/waited with me until the trail smoothed out. After yzlvr and nowwhat loaded me up I drove to Pomona Valley ER. They sent me s8t to the xray room as soon as they seen me walk in. Here is what is wrong. I have a should fracture. I have a hair line crack on the ball that goes into my shoulder socket. I have to go see a ortho tommorow to see if I need surgery. If I don't need the surgery I should be on light duty for 6 weeks. Till the crash I was have a great day. Except for wittnessing a messed up high side crash right in front of me. Glad that your going to be ok. What caused my crash/get off. I bottomed out in the middle of woop that made the front tire wash out. I don't think I was even going over 20/25 mph when it happened. I feel bad that me going down is causing a riff here with members. We all know what can happen when we decide to ride motorcycles. Saturday was just my time. Thanks for the help and getting back home. At the end on the day thats what matters most. Ben
  15. Ben99r1

    Ben99r1 Long timer

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    Fu@k! I just typed a long ass update and it do deleated befor It posted. Her is the gest of it. I have a crack on my ball that goes into my shoulder socket. The ortho will tell me tommorow if I need surgery. When I crashed all the guy made sure I got back to 395hwy befor the peeled out. Roundstock fallowed me all the back to the road and got me a ride back to my truck. He then had to get gas befor he planned to meet up with me to help load up my bike. We just got lucky and got all the lights back to my truck. I feel bad that my crash/get off is causing a problem here. We all know what can happened when we decide to ride motorcles. Saturday was just my time. At the end of the day what matters is that we all make it home. Thanks for looking out for me and making sure off that. Ill post an update when I find out if I need surgery. Roundstock that for the escort. Yzlvr and Nowwhat thaks for helping load my bike. Ben
  16. ROUNDSTOCK

    ROUNDSTOCK Been here awhile

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    that was my tube, you probably didn't know how long you rested ,cause it took forever to get it off the rim!!!!!!!!!!!dale, check out the flea market, guy is selling his 800 and has aftermarket header/pipes and might sell the stockers ,just a thought..............d
  17. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second... Super Supporter

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    Good to hear from you Ben....I hope you are a righty...it is a bitch to wipe your ass with the wrong hand....:deal
  18. spafxer

    spafxer Long timer

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    Wow,

    Sorry for the multiple posts. When I sent it this morning, I got an ADVrider database error.... They must of fixed it many tiimes over..


    So the gist of the accidents was Ben and Dale suffered from Acute Numerical Ascension ...............................There Numbers were UP :evil
  19. Ben99r1

    Ben99r1 Long timer

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    I am a righty. I have not taken a crap since saturday morning b4 the ride. I am affraid to sqawt and stand up from the toilet. So I am going to turn off the plumbing for a few more days. But with only one hand I keep pissing on my balls.:rofl Jim I lost your rope when I fell from my bike. But I did see someone pick it up. I did wrap it almost as good as new b4 I dropped it. Ben
  20. BootDragger

    BootDragger Motorcycles are the perfect antidote!

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    I think my brother (Wes) on the KLX offered to carry the rope after Ben went down. I now have it so we will get it back to the owner ASAP. Ben...I hope you heal up soon.