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Finding Freedom...World Wide Ride

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by BcDano, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Glad to hear you are all set up and on schedule for this iteration of the plan!!

    No like you we are going from Armenia, but the e visa is just still on the to do list. China was easy for us as we have a very efficient visa office here in Vancouver, since we have a lot of Chinese people who now live here in Lotus land. The bikes will be no issue as you must use a service and they do all the work. All you have to do is pay a huge $$$$. Which since you are importing the bike and not getting a TVIP, getting a Chinese drivers license, which none of us can manage for obvious reasons, and Chinese plates, which will be cool. There was some sort of "arrangement" made for our friend Orvar, since it is against the law for people over 60 to ride a motorcycle in China.


    We have Uzbekistan since we could not apply for a Turkmenistan actuation number without it. If we get the numbers before tomorrow we may send the passports to Washington then, but otherwise we will get Turkmenistan in Ankara. We are set for Iran paper work, but will "pick up" the visas in Istanbul. This has shifted the focus of the trip a bit in Turkey from sight seeing to trip logistics, but that means another trip to Turkey OH WELL. We have also moved the time line up so we can arrive to the respective spots on weekdays.

    See you on the road!!! Cheers


    Sara
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  2. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Well it’s time to get back on the road again now that spring has sprung the sun is shining! We have been home working in Vancouver for the winter. This is work work and as well a ton of hours with planning, emails, and paper work for the next leg of the trip. There have literally been hundreds of emails. Daniel has been the point man for all 4 of us.

    [​IMG]IMG_8046 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr
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  4. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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  5. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Route Germany-Czech-Slovakia-Serbia-Romania-Turkey-Georgia-Armenia-Iran-Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Tajikistan-Gorno/Badakhshan Autonomous Region- Krygyzstan-Kazakhstan-Russia-Mongolia-Russia-Mongolia-China-Tibet-Burma-Thailand-Laos-Vietnam-Cambodia-Thailand- Malaysia-Indonesia-East Timor-Australia-Tazmania-New Zealand…

    The route in Europe is to loop thru Slovakia (which we skipped last year except Kosice), go south thru Serbia via Novi Sad and Nis, and onto Sofia and Motocamp Bulgaria. Here we will meet up with the rest of the “team” Orvar (King of Sweden) and Trevor (fellow Canadian). We Met Orvar in Guatemala in 2012 and Trevor in Ushuaia in 2014. We have ridden a lot with both of them and we all get along very well. Anyone who has ridden in a group knows that this can be very difficult on many levels. You have to be able to mesh on riding style, safety consciousness, likes and dislikes for travel style, and financial means. We could not ask for 2 nicer guys to travel with. From Motocamp we may head to the Black Sea and travel down the coast or go cross country to the Turkish border.

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-02 at 18.09.11 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr


    Turkey- e visa same day processing valid 6 months.



    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-02 at 18.10.25 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    Georgia-No visa for Canadians.

    Armenia- e visa 3 days processing valid 3 months.

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-02 at 18.13.04 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    Iran- Canadians need actuation number only issued in Iran to travel service. Can not apply until 3 months before travel and it can take 1 month to get a number. Canadians require a “guide service” Valid 3 months. We will have all the paperwork done, but must apply in the Iranian embassy in Istanbul Turkey. We will also be here during Ramadan.


    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-02 at 18.15.42 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr
  6. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Turkmenistan- Transit visa for 3-5 days but risk 50% rejection rate. Tourist visa required a tour be booked to get a letter of invitation. We “obtained” a letter without actually booking a tour. Plan for 3-4 days to cross. Can take 3 to 4 weeks to get an actuation number in order to apply for a visa. You can not even apply for a number without a Uzbekistan visa to prove you are leaving. We will pick the visa up in Ankara, Turkey.

    Uzbekistan- Need letter of invitation we used Carivanistan. Sent passports to Washington DC to get the visas and they were back in 3 business days.

    [​IMG]IMG_8090 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr


    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-02 at 18.17.42 by Sara &a
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  7. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Tajikistan + GBAO- e visa issued in 2 days. (Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region - essentially where the Pamir Highway is in south east of the country, which requires an extra permit).

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-03-26 at 15.50.52 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr


    Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan- No visa for Canadians, But currently they have a foreigners must register policy started in Dec 2016. This may well be temporary.

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-01 at 21.19.36 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-03-29 at 11.15.07 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    Russia- We requested and got double entry transit visas of 9 days each. This is so amazing because they do not issue double entry transit visas to Canadians! This will include a loop from Omsk to the Mongolian border and a loop to Lake Baikal thru Siberia and into eastern Mongolia. Very extensive application. They ask the day/month/ and year of every country you have been for the last 10 years. They (not customs) decided they had an issue that our Canadian and not rented bikes were somehow in Germany and they required proof of ownership and shipping.

    [​IMG]IMG_8091 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    Mongolia- No visa required for Canadians, but the Swede does need one!

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2017-04-01 at 12.55.59 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr
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  8. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    China- Visa required and the form though extensive is easy. They do require a detailed itinerary for getting the visa, but interestingly since it is good for 9 years they do not require this for any subsequent visits. The bikes are another story all together. Foreigners are not permitted to ride their own motorcycles in China without a guide service and they must have Chinese License plates and we need a Chinese drivers license. There is of course no way for us to pass the drivers test in Chinese, but everything has its price. The Companies fee included getting all this done including solving the problem for Orvar who is 63 that it is illegal to drive a motorcycle after age 60. The trip across China is ridiculously expensive, but it is what it is if you want to go overland, thru Mongolia, and not across Russia. We will however ride into Lhasa, Tibet and to the Everest base camp!


    [​IMG]IMG_8092 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2016-11-09 at 21.06.11 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr
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  9. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Burma- Visa required, but can not be applied for more than 3 months from entry. For us this means we will have to send the passports to the Burmese embassy. The only place we have the time to do this where we will not need them is in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. They have DHL and we can either send it to Bangkok or Ottawa, but at least for Canada we can pay with visa and not have to come up with the fee in Thai baht. Foreigners also require a guide here. e visa only available for airport entry. As of March 24 the Chinese/Burmese border is closed due to tribal conflicts, so we will make a game time decision in Ulaanbataar. We may spend 1 more day in China and cross into Laos. None of us are too stressed about this issue.

    Thailand- Visas now required on arrival. As of May 1 2017 foreigners on motorcycles will require a guide to travel in Thailand. All other overland vehicles have been banned all together. We hope to just get a 3 day transit visa from Mae Sot Thailand to Vientiane Laos.

    Laos- visa on arrival
    Vietnam- visa required
    Cambodia- e visas

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2016-11-12 at 18.36.09 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr


    Malaysia-No visa
    Indonesia- No visa
    Timor-leste- Visa on arrival

    [​IMG]Screen Shot 2016-11-12 at 18.38.21 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr

    Australia -ETA required
    New Zealand - No visa
  10. MaNDan

    MaNDan 'Old Japanese cycles & '26Chevy truck

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    I see that on the Russian visa, they wrote "EH", so they must speak Canadian. Right?

    Wishing you the best on this ambitious journey. Thanks again for taking us along for the ride and the experience.
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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Thanks again! Getting close now!
  12. Saralou

    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    "Carnet de Passage en Douane- "Notebook for Passing Through Customs" and is often abbreviated to just carnet.

    A carnet (pronounced car-nay) is a simple customs document, which acts as a passport for your motor vehicle when you take it overseas. It allows you to temporarily import your vehicle for a limited period of time without the need to pay cash at the border, equivalent to the customs duty and other excise taxes. It helps to save time and hassle when dealing with customs officers at international borders.

    The vehicle, to which the carnet refers, once having been granted temporary importation status, must be removed from the country within the time limit imposed by that country. If it is not, the country will be paid all duties and taxes that would normally be required to permanently import the vehicle.

    The use of a carnet is an alternative to leaving cash security deposits with foreign governments. Use of the carnet is restricted to the countries listed on the back cover and it is valid for one year from the date of issue.


    The cost of the bond is based on the value of your vehicle and the highest percentage bond required by the countries for which you will use it.

    Motorists can typically obtain a Carnet de Passages en Douane from their national automobile association or touring club. The U.S. and Canada are a notable exception where a private company experienced in ATA Carnets, boomerang carnets, was appointed as the national guaranteeing association for CPDs in 2015.

    Required most of Central and North Africa, Asia, Middle East, and Oceania. Recommended for much of the rest of Africa, The Americas do not require a Carnet for Canadians. Our problem comes in with Iran, since our issuing body (Boomerang) is in the USA and will not issue CPD for Iran. Thank goodness for the Swiss. Their national auto association will issue a CPD to any person who’s own country will not issue the needed CPD. They process this in 3-4 days.


    The carnet comes as a number of sheets, usually ten or twenty-five, stapled together into a book. Each sheet is divided into three perforated sections and each section has details of your vehicle on it. As you enter a country all three section of one sheet are stamped and signed by the customs officials, who keep the first (volet d'entrée) section. As you leave the country the second (volet de sortie) section is kept and the third section, the counterfoil (souche) is stamped and signed again by the customs officials. The double stamped counterfoil, which remains in the carnet, acts as a receipt proving that you have left the country with your vehicle.

    Once you have completed your trip and returned to your home country you must discharge your carnet. You must return the double stamped counterfoils, along with any unused sheets of the carnet to the relevant Automobile Association or Organization that issued it and they will discharge the carnet. Failure to do this or if you do not have all the double stamped counterfoils could prove costly, as you may not receive any deposit held by the organization or even have to pay importation duties on your vehicle. "



    [​IMG]IMG_4488 2 by Sara & Daniel Pedersen, on Flickr
  13. chussel

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    Hi. You may not remember but we touched base with you guys in The Americas but we didn't actually get to catch up - Charlie & Janet Russel from NZ, russelsenroute.com. You are both so amazing for the mileage you have covered. We have been home for a while but are heading off on 21 May doing a similar trip as yours but in the opposite direction. Who knows, we may actually meet this time! We are on XT250s this trip, leaving our bigger bikes at home. Have nearly sorted all our visas, a good feeling, been quite a process. I will keep checking in to see where you are. Ride safe :)
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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Yes of course we do! That would be so great. will you be home in NZ in early 2018? We will be there ? Feb-April. See you on the road! Travel safe!! We are just stressed about Turkmenistan visas now. All the rest is in place. Sara
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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Yes we should be home then!! NZ is a great place to ride, lots to see in a little country
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    Saralou Worldwide Rider

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    Would be great to have riding route advice! We can communicate in late December when we plan to be in Tasmania.

    Sara
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    Absolutely, love to help
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  20. tradex56

    tradex56 Been here awhile

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    :clap I am ready to follow your great adventure. Good trip Sara and Daniel .. and good luck.
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