First time track bike?

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  1. Stravoxylo

    Stravoxylo Been here awhile

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    Find your local track day org and join their forum. Get to know some local track day riders and racers. They usually have a classified section with track bikes of all displacements for sale. Many have all the track bits on them already, and they are usually reasonably priced. I bought a couple of track bikes that way, and met riders that became friends.
    Edit to add: I second the SV650, kwak 300/400/650, Yam fz7.
    Your learning curve will be faster on a smaller displacement bike.
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  2. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Smoove, Smoove like velvet.

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    Nailed it.

    SV650. Don't move up to a 600 I-4 till you can hang with them with only 75hp.
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  3. racer1735

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    The majority of racing (outside of a drag strip) isn’t spent pinning the throttle on a straight, its braking, setting up for a corner, hitting the apex, and trying to hook up on the exit. There are generally more corners on a track than straights. Smaller displacement means lighter weight means quicker thru the corners. Muzzle the bravado and learn the intricacies of track riding.
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  4. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    I am not a track rider. But I have plenty of friends who love it and have had long talks with plenty of riders who have single digit number plates.

    every single one of them started their track riding on smaller bikes. Many of them rode /ride flat track as well.

    a number of them still even participate in small bike class racing, like 50cc endurance racing on go cart tracks.

    because it’s fun.

    I say get a small bike like a 300cc or an sv650. And get a CRF100 or 150 shod it with some dirt track wheels and tires and start learning how to go slideways without a lot of traction.
    There are a lot more dirt tracks then road courses, even today.

    I don’t know if it’s still a thing but supermoto was also a very cheap way to get some track time and it gives you a little of dirt and a little of street.
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  5. Jim Moore

    Jim Moore "You ain't black!"

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    OP, I like the 600 idea. You don't need anything new either. Anything from the late 90s on will work just fine. My favorite track bike is a '98 CBR600. Best handling bike I've ever owned.

    If you don't want to start on a 600, I wouldn't go any "lower" than an SV650, or maybe a Ninja 650 or MT-07. It seems like a good idea to learn on a Ninja 250 or similar, and it would be if you were riding with a bunch of other Ninja 250s. But you'll be riding with some assclown in the novice class on a liter bike who can generate almost 100 mph of closure on your Ninja 250 at the end of a long straightaway. Closure he's in no way prepared to handle.
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  6. Tenacious B

    Tenacious B Long timer

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    I got into minibikes last year and started endurance racing them this year. Stupidly fun and a better learning tool than any big bike. I got rid of my 600 and 1000 and replaced them with an RS125 (CR85 motor) that I can run at the larger kart tracks and still be just fast enough for the big tracks since it will top out around 100mph like the 300s do. But it weighs half of what a 300 does and is a legit GP chassis, so the handling is downright magical.

    Supermotos are still very much a thing, but they caught on and are not so cheap anymore. It is actually easier to find a decent 600 under 4k (or even 3k) than a supermoto.

    For full size bikes, I agree with everyone else to get an SV650 or smaller to hone the skills.
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  7. Ever Onward

    Ever Onward Older,Wiser, Smarter

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    Agreed !


    We had a small and technical practice track in Montana. It was open track a few days a week. I think it had a dozen turns and just about under 1 mile a lap.

    One of the absolute fastest bikes there for lap times was a Moriwaki 80. I couldnt touch him with my TZR 250, even with race slicks. Another of the top ten fastest lap times was a KX 125 MXer with street tires. Only the best supermoto bikes could hang with those guys.

    Nobody on a litre bike was close, most 600's were way off the pace.

    If the Moriwaki had been a 125, it woulda really had the upper hand.

    One of the best riders there would borrow his wifes 250 Ninja and come within a second of the lap record .



    https://raresportbikesforsale.com/category/moriwaki-2/



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  8. redneckK20

    redneckK20 Been here awhile

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    I appreciate all the good input. Here is the track that should getting pretty close to completion at this point.

    https://racer.com/2020/12/02/ozarks-international-raceway-aiming-for-2021-launch/

    It's long and wide, I will get a 650/700 twin at the minimum. I don't think I'll race, but if I do I can always cross that bridge later. I've wanted to ride on a track for 10 years now, I might have a chance before too long.
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  9. MattR302

    MattR302 Awesomeness, Inc.

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    I did a couple track days on my FZ6 back in ~2014. The following year I wanted to do more track days, but didn’t want to have to prep the FZ6 each time (even though the required prep is minimal for my TD org).

    I searched the classifieds for a low budget 650 twin or a 600 i4, wasn’t being picky. I found a 99 CBR600F4 listed for $1200. It idled rough, plastics were missing, and the rear tire had a huge flat spot from burnouts. Got it for $800. Spent a few hundred bucks changing the fluids, replacing the brakes/chain/sprockets, and new rear tire. Got it mechanically 100% and rode it that season as a naked “streetfighter” and had a blast. The following winter I found a used Penske shock on eBay, had that refreshed and got proper fork springs for my weight.

    I shouldn’t have sold it, I was super comfortable on that bike. I found it mentally a lot easier to ride on track A) on a bike that I knew I didn’t have a lot of money invested in, and B) knowing that if I did have an incident, I’d still be able to ride my FZ6 to work the following Monday.

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  10. busa1300

    busa1300 Been here awhile

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    Dedicated track bike.
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  11. Ever Onward

    Ever Onward Older,Wiser, Smarter

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    Wow !

    That track is gonna be a real high speed pants shitter ! :clap

    Im glad I had to spend my time dodgeing the turtles when it rained at Mid America raceway near Wentzville instead. :lol3


    The blind sight lines with the up and down will make it hard to learn and see what to aim for up ahead. Gonna be a steep learning curve with lots of scraped up plastics and leathers for a noob on a 600 or bigger ! :lol2



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  12. Liko

    Liko English is my 2nd legume

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    I had a FZ400. That size just seemed to be right on the money.

    Right up until I rag-doll'd myself ... aaaaaaaaand that's how track days come to an end.

    Hang with other riders. Ride everything that is offered to you. The perfect bike for you may not be the bike you think you need. But mostly, ride your skill, not your pride.
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  13. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 Just send it!

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    Yeah, get something that you won't be afraid to throw down the road.

    You can be having an epic ride and someone takes you out.

    I have a house to pay for so I can't be injured. :kurt

    My excuse at least. :D
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  14. Skidmarkart

    Skidmarkart Dirty Middle Age Man Supporter

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    Go on Craigslist/Facebook market. Set your price for $500-$1500. Get the most sport-bike like 600-750cc thing you can. Race the shit out of it.

    I don't have many track days under my belt, but I've ridden enough to know, it ain't the bike :lol3
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    rd400racer Long timer

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    Here's an idea of what's for sale at the WERA classifieds. Is always better to buy one that's already set up rather than doing it yourself.

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  17. C/1/509

    C/1/509 Think for yourself

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    I think y'all are overwhelming the OP. But yeah, that SV would be excellent.
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  18. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 Just send it!

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    Yeah, that is ugly as a mud fence. :D
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  19. rd400racer

    rd400racer Long timer

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    Just a can of Krylon away from being a beauty :lol3
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    villageidiot Long timer Supporter

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    leonardo di krylon will handle that!
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