Fitment of KTM plastic vs aluminium panniers

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by shardzero, May 8, 2006.

  1. shardzero

    shardzero I have a bike.....

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    Just wondering if the plastic panniers are fitted more securely than the aluminium ons, or vice versa.

    A lot of images of the plastic ons have a cord around the middle section, is thsi to keep them on or for extra luggage; I can't be sure??

    I have a good idea how the aluminium ons fit as there made by touratech and I have looked at the installation diagram. (also the BMW ons took a good beating on TLWR so must be good).

    Is the water thingo useful in the plastic ons??

    What limitations have you the owners found??

    Anyone got an image of the adventure top box fitted??

    All these questions and more can be answered here. I realize there are many threads about the abundant variety, but im just interested in more detail about these 2, I like the factory stuff, what can I say.
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  2. cpmodem

    cpmodem Orange Caveman

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    When I first got the "plastic panniers" I wasn't sure I would like them. I even came real close to ordering a pair of metal ones. After using them for over a year and 15k miles, I find that they work very well. They hold a huge amount of gear and protect it very well. They are also very tough and hold up well to daily bashing into things (walls, posts, cars, etc) without coming off or showing any damage. They also don't damage the things they run into (like cars when splitting lanes in traffic). They also make very good camp stools and tables when on the road.

    Did I say they are wide? Yes they are very wide and take a bit of getting used to, but the width only effects me when manuvering through heavy traffic. The rest of the time they are out of sight and out of mind. No need to bungie or strap them on as they are mounted very securely (or I would have knocked them off by now :wink: I haven't used the liquid dispenser "feature" as it requires too much fidling for me, but it looks like it would work. Though, I would rather fill that space with foam insulation and make them into a couple of good ice chests to keep my beer cold on the road :evil

    I haven't used the plasic top box as the soft bag by KTM works well fo me (more flexible in mounting locations).
    -cp
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  3. shardzero

    shardzero I have a bike.....

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    A very concise summation. Said it all, or at least what I was hoping to hear. Good to hear they can take a knock. It will be strange having that extra width alright.

    Cheers
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  4. arroyoshark

    arroyoshark Needing some space

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    Both the mounts for Hepko & Becker panniers, as well as touratech seem to have very secure mounts. Don't know why one would need additional straps.

    I thought is was the BMW system cases on OEM brackets that always come flying off on a hard landing or bump, so that is why they always have a security strap around these boxes.

    I did not care for the gobi boxes. They don't have that much packable volume, yet stick way out to the sides of the bike, like the x-large touratech panniers. I mounted H&B junior cases (plastic) on my 950 and I kind of like their slightly more aerodynamic design to the square boxes. Got them from a Moto-Guzzi dealer.
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  5. Joe Bar

    Joe Bar Middle England

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    My 950 came with the gobi's already fitted but I also have a pair of H & B Juniors which are much smaller and ideal for shorter trips.

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  6. BLUE(UK)

    BLUE(UK) Long timer

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    Nice tank bag BMK......where would one acquire a bag like that??:D
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  7. YOGOI

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    KTM factory aluminum cases come in 35 or 41 litter sizes. The Gobis are nice, especially since KTM threw them into the deal but you lose a lot of storage to the double wall construction.
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    Is there any info on the weight differances? The problem I have had with the plastic ones is that the latch has a weak point and after 3000+ miles of Baja washboard roads they have both broke off (I am not the only one w/ this prob.), However; it is not imposable for the aluminum box to pop off ether. I know a guy that lost one on a trail, never to be found again.
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    I haven't replaced my latches yet, so I have been cruse'n around with the boxes secured by a ratchet strap. I miss the easy one latch on and off, so I think all spend the $20 (not sure if thats for a set, or just one) on new latches.
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    I think when I go on tours I will keep use'n the ratchet strap (even after I get new latches) becouse I think it will allow the new latches to last longer, and they make a great back up, or tow strap:wink: .
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  8. Flanny

    Flanny Flanny-it-up!

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    The plastic bags ARE tough, but the latches that hold them on are indeed VERY prone to break if you hit the bags on trees or rocks or cars or...whatever. Landing a jump with them full works to knock them off as well....

    I used to always secure mine with an extra ratchet strap to take potential loads off the mounting clamps as well for anythin other than road touring.

    You should definitely get some spare latches - you will need them eventually.

    Having said that, the plastic cases are very well thought out, easy to put on and take off, and do really make great camp stools.
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  9. petesonhisway

    petesonhisway Been here awhile

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    Hello all,

    I have Gobi boxes and TT 41L panniers. I havent used the Gobis yet on a trip but have used the TTs on two 5000+ mile trips, one on a 640 Adv and one on a 950. I thought I would add a few comments on the TT boxes and, more importantly, what I think everyone really wants - pics.

    First the comments:

    The TT boxes are BIG, but when on the bike the width is exactly the same as the Gobis, although they hang an inch or so lower than the Gobis. (sorry I cant show pics of this - my bike is and the dealers being repaired -aaagghh!)

    The boxes are waterproof and the fittings are crude but effective, and there is a hole in each of the lid catches for you to insert a padlock (see pics)

    The boxes fit the pannier frame very tightly and the mountings are really secure - the boxes will not fall off if you drop the bike unless there is sufficient force to rip the upper fittings through the box, or the pannier frame breaks.

    You may already know that just about everything gets covered in black marks when it is rubbed against aluminium, I have lined the boxes with transparent sticky-back plastic and this has worked well in all tenperatures and solved this particular problem.

    The main advantage of these panniers for me over the Gobis, apart from the robust fitting to the bike, is their size, and this cant be under - estimated. The TT boxes are 9L bigger than the Gobis but the effect is much greater when you are packing awkward shaped objects such as trainers etc. Some say "the more space you have the more you pack", but to me the extra space means everything is stored in boxes with no need to bungy stuff to the back of the bike. Fit some padlocks and ALL your stuff is secure.

    Finally, I know there has been plenty of interest in extra fuel capacity for the 950. One of the pics below shows a standard plastic 5L fuel can inside the pannier. 2 of these fills the pannier about half way (The maximum recommended load per pannier is 15kg - stated on the pannier lid) To my reckoning these boxes can hold 20L of fuel at the same time as storing about as much of your other stuff as the Gobis can practically hold.

    Now here are the pics, if anyone wants any more info, pics, or measurements done, just shout!

    Pete

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  10. YOGOI

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    Pete.

    Nice reply, and good info. Do you know what the weight differance is between the two?
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  11. petesonhisway

    petesonhisway Been here awhile

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    Can't find any info on the weight of the Gobis. The Touratech website quotes 3.5kg for the Zegas. I just did a crude weight comparision and the Gobis are slightly heavier. The Gobis are much easier to carry around though, because of the handle.

    Cheers,

    Pete
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  12. BLUE(UK)

    BLUE(UK) Long timer

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    I have the plastic jobbies and they did 400miles+500miles+400miles on consecutive days and had water in them which was ideal for having a drink at the roadside as well as a wash....cleaning the visor.....geez i coulda even cleaned me teeth!!:D :D
    The taps cost me something like £4 each yet a half litre bottle of water can cost about £1 a time!!:huh :huh
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  13. MXfritz

    MXfritz Adventurer

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    Hey does anyone have pics and feed back on riding two up with luggage on a 950.Im going to buy a 950s this week but will do alot of 2 up riding with bags on and need to make sure this is comfy for the passenger.I was going to go with a 1150 gs adventure but having trouble locating a good deal and this KTM came up so a change of plans is happening. I already stick her on the back of a rigid frame chopper I built so this 950 has to work for her too!!!
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  14. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    The only problem with the bags (I have the gobi plastic jobs) is that if you're wife is, uh, vertically challanged, she's going to be hitting the top of the bags with her leg or foot every time she's getting on. I have a '04 "S" and the only way Mrs. O.C.F. can get on is by stepping on the left hand peg, grabbing my arm, and hoisting herself up and over....smashing the bags every time! I don't care about the scuffs all over the bags, but she's always a little mean-faced after smacking a leg on the bag.

    The bags themselves are GRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
    And, the bike is about the same width as a Yugo with them on. :lol3

    Ride On!
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  15. Douf

    Douf Limey Bitch

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    My wife's 5'10" and has no problem with the comfort of the loaded 950.

    As far as the latches failing, personally I think it's a good design feature. They're strong enough to take pretty good hit, but anything more than that, then I think it's a better scenario for the bag to get knocked off and get bungied back on rather than get beat to hell while still remaining on the bike.

    FWIW I have the topbox too, but use it mainly in local situations, as I have a fuel cell taking up that space on long trips. The topbox fits securely and is much more convenient than the side cases. I can fit any of my Arai (XL) helmets in it (although some inmates can't :scratch). I don't have the back rest for it, but others have reported that it's not much use anyway.

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  16. DavidD

    DavidD Been here awhile

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    I had the Gobi panniers and top box on my 990 S and covered 30,000 miles with them in a little over 2 years. They were lockable, waterproof and easy to carry with the handle and generally had a rough life but did ok. Like everyone says in heavy traffic you are quite wide so require some confidence to filter, but I guess that is true of most panniers.

    When I got my 990 R I stayed with the plastic top box (though black this time to match the bike) and instead went with the KTM Touratech metal panniers (35L). The main reason is you can get more stuff in them, but also because they are wider at the top, so getting stuff in and out is easier.

    On my weekly commute into London I only use the top box and a waterproof Kriega bag: (http://www.kriega.com/pages_uk/us20/US20-topframeset.html) strapped to the back seat, so I can press on thru the traffic without the width. I only use the boxes on longer trips.

    Overall I would rate the metal ones over the plastic, but both will serve you well and I guess its down to personal preference.
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  17. tastiecappy

    tastiecappy n00b

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    I Like the Gobis for a couple of reasons, they've got single handles so you can carry both at once, far easier for motels and such. Also the fact that they lock on the bike, I dont believe the ali boxes have that feature. I like the hinged lid also very useful. I'd rather the water feature was turned into storage capacity. but overall Im very happy with my supa wide arse ktm :eek1
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  18. Drogin

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    Hi All (firs post...),

    I just purchased these cases and was wondering if anyone has ever used them as an extra fuel tank (connected to the fuel system). A friend of mine said this was feasible but I`m not sure if the material is OK for that or if there`s a kit available to do this installation.

    I`m planning to do a long trip in Baja and could use the extra fuel

    What other uses (liquids) do you give this compartment for?
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  19. The Mariner

    The Mariner Matt of Finland

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    Just got an offer from my dealer for the whole KTM set; pannier rack, black plastic sidecases, top case bracket plate and a 42 litre topcase. Thousand euro and it could be mine.

    The question is, are they worth it? I'm currently playing with a thought of making my own from jerry canisters, saw couple of very nice ones at a local tool store. If someone has ideas(pics?) how to make these waterproof easily and how to mount them without damaging the pannier rack(at low cost of course) it would be much obliged. Thinking about cutting the top half off and installing a steel hinge and a bracket so they could be loaded from the top and closed easily. Hinges and brackets available from SS to acidproof at the local convenience store. Also the handles at top of jerry cans make excellent mounts for other stuff. Read about this from different forums but seem to lack ideas how to mount them and how to make them waterproof(or resistant).

    Of course the KTM cases have KTM logos and are waterproof and look pretty good parked up at the curb, but are they worth the thousand euro? If I ever sell the bike they could give extra value provided that I haven't bashed them to look like, well, 20 euro jerry cans.
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  20. Taurkon

    Taurkon Long timer

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    the Gobi's are really touch and I doubt you will get that durability. I suppose it may depend on where you ride. I personally would spend the cash on the Gobi's but I ride as much as possible off the slab and find if anything, the Gobi sidecases protect the bike more. :D
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