F'n Ontario nanny state!

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Drif10, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. JimmieA

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  2. Nokmuay

    Nokmuay Plan B Specialist

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    Seriously, when are we old enough, big enough, mature enough to make these decissions on our own? Its okay to go die for your country or to kill for it, its fine to vote in lameassed politicians, but dont let you kid sit on the bike, dont ride with gps, omg .05 is to high we are going Zero tolerance... taddaa!!

    Its amazing how they are talking about lowering the speed limits in the country by 10 on every road and highway. Yet our vehicles have the greatest technology ever, best brakes, lights, tires, suspension and control, and yet we are unable to advance our speed limits to even that of the USA. OMG lets ask for AuotoBahn speeds...:lol3

    well, guess we will get to live an long, safe and OMG so boring life with these lamers in govermnet.:becca
  3. Oddbawl

    Oddbawl Born Ok the first time.

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    Has there been anymore news?
  4. de Jager

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    Not at this time. I checked this week and it's still with the Justice Policy Committee. At this time they haven't scheduled it for review.
  5. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    It could sit there for review for months and months. This is where bills go to die and this one is supposed to die, so said the minister of transportation.
  6. Glock owner

    Glock owner Bad Example

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    I just heard of this group while listening to the radio yesterday. They seem to be an advocacy group for zero tolerance against speeding. They spout the same old for the sake of the children mantra in an attempt to garner support for lower speed limits. Before it was Smart Watch wanting to ban kids < 15 on MC, now its a group called Whats the Rush. There was a thread on another forum re: reducing speed limit across the board in Toronto. I guess revenues from fines must be down.

    http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=99041

    Whats the Rush's website is
    http://www.whatstherush.ca/index.cfm?page=main.rush

    I sent them this video from U-Tube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB9lUXMuiHg


    I also sent an email to their contact person asking if they receive funding from any level of government. I'll post the reply if I get one.
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  7. 2Trider

    2Trider Been here awhile

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    Well in North Oshawa ALL the rural roads are now 50kph posted:huh

    F'n ridiculous
    What the heck was wrong with 80kph

    Heard the province has mandated a change from 80 to 50kph unless otherwise posted(which requires a municipal bylaw) for Ontario Municipalities:huh
    gotta save the stupid I guess


    So BEWARE when in rural Ontario on unposted roads....you may get that 50 over surprise rape
  8. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    Have you any more details on where you heard this? I'm thinking the impact on the rural lands around Ontario would be huge.

    Cheers

    Fin
  9. 2Trider

    2Trider Been here awhile

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    Heard it from a trusted in the know source after mentioning why the 50kph in North Oshawa and Clarington (Whitby has not yet followed along) but still see nothing on the Ontario gov. web sites.
    Will follow up on this as it does/can have a HUGE impact for rural country roads.
  10. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    I found this on the MTO's site:

    "In cities, towns, villages and built-up areas where there are no posted speed limit signs, the maximum speed is 50 km/h. Elsewhere the maximum speed limit is 80 km/h."

    The link is here: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/topics/speed.shtml

    My thinking is that the "built-up areas" have moved farther north in Durham, Is that possible 2Trider?

    If there is a larger issue at hand then we better find out... :eek1

    Cheers

    Fin
  11. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    Thanks Mang... :D Looking forward to hearing more.

    Cheers

    Fin
  12. 2Trider

    2Trider Been here awhile

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    Okay Fin here is more info
    http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#BK190
    HTA act

    Rate of speed
    <!-- TRANSIT - HYPERLINK --><!-- .http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90h08_f.htm#s128s1. -->128.<!-- TRANSIT - HYPERLINK --><!-- .http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90h08_f.htm#s128s1. --> (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at a rate of speed greater than,
    (a) 50 kilometres per hour on a highway within a local municipality or within a built-up area;
    (b) despite clause (a), 80 kilometres per hour on a highway, not within a built-up area, that is within a local municipality that had the status of a township on December 31, 2002 and, but for the enactment of the Municipal Act, 2001, would have had the status of a township on January 1, 2003, if the municipality is prescribed by regulation;
    (c) 80 kilometres per hour on a highway designated by the Lieutenant Governor in Council as a controlled-access highway under the Public Transportation and Highway Improvement Act, whether or not the highway is within a local municipality or built-up area;
    (d) the rate of speed prescribed for motor vehicles on a highway in accordance with subsection (2), (5), (6), (6.1) or (7);
    (e) the maximum rate of speed set under subsection (10) and posted in a construction zone designated under subsection (8) or (8.1); or
    (f) the maximum rate of speed posted on a highway or portion of a highway pursuant to section 128.0.1. 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 17 (1); 2006, c. 11, Sched. B, s. 6 (2); 2006, c. 32, Sched. D, s. 4 (1).


    Look at (a)
    50kph in a Local Municipality
    Then (b) is 80kph in a non built up area if it was a "township" before Jan 01 03
    So how the heck does Joe Blow understand/figure that out:huh

    Basically as explained to me is that all "organized" areas of Ontario are now default 50kph rural or built up.
    Municipalities must now pass a bylaw to change the default speed say to 80kph......problem is that Municipalities do not want to be subject to legal action since they do not have supporting engineering/technical information for said roads (to support the 80 or even 60 kph speeds)
    So..... the likes of Oshawa have rolled over and gone with the 50kph

    Now all this started with the revisions to the Municipal Act
    The MTO site still has the default 80kph for rural areas

    This is a sneeky do gooder slide it through buried in other non-related crap/regs to protect someone from someone BS

    Gotta love the Liberals:lol3 :lol3
    :puke1 :puke1 :puke1 :puke1 :puke1 :puke1
  13. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    Jeeeeeesh! :huh I'll pass this around and see if I can get some answers.

    Thanks.

    Fin
  14. 2Trider

    2Trider Been here awhile

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    Now just heard that a rider was nailed in north Oshawa for doing 101kph on these "rural" roads....Luckily the officer dropped the speed to 75kph so the rider gets to keep his bike
    Rider thought it was a default 80kph since it was a rural road

    And the bike is now for sale cause the rider has had enough of the bs regs going on
  15. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    Got a contact you can pm me on this guy?
  16. Oddbawl

    Oddbawl Born Ok the first time.

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    The laws are solid, they're for your own good.
    What's at fault here is video games and movies. All of them depicting cars. Some exceeding the speed limit. What if a kid sees that?
  17. Fin

    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl
  18. Oddbawl

    Oddbawl Born Ok the first time.

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    And don't get me started on this Rock and/or Roll music... I heard certain albums, when played backwards compel the hapless listener to "stunt" uncontrollably.
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    Fin Kahoon's my daddy!

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  20. bkirby

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    The Officer that stopped this guy (good friend of mine) told him he should not attempt to fight this as the ticket would go back up to 101. The officer is a fellow bike rider and understands how easy it is for a bike to quickly build up speed. He said take the 25 over and be happy. My friend went back through the same street the next day and sure enough, there is a 50k sign there just past a stop sign. He figures he did not see the 50k sign as he was looking for traffic at the intersection. So I would say he did get lucky.