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  1. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    As my friend Slacker pointed out it's all relative ! Pounding into a 30+ mph head wind is allot of work for anything. It's more about how do you want to use it long trips on the interstate fully loaded , the airhead's probably going to get over worked.
    Keep it real and it's the nicest rig privately for sale in the country still tempted to go get if myself.
  2. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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  3. Hookalatch

    Hookalatch Born Under Bad Sign

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    My only experience with a sidecar is Airhead powered. It has 3.36 rear gearing from the 1984 R80RT I started with. Switched to R100 jugs, big valve heads, and 40mm carbs, and an oil cooler from a 1982 R100RS. With the Block K rear tire it runs 4000rpm at 60 mph. I know it will run at least 75 mph but I am usually on secondary roads at a slower pace. The summers here get well over 100 degrees. While I try not to ride in that kind of heat I often have and the bike does fine. I live in a mountainous area and the bike seems to have sufficient power even at higher elevations. It won't win any drag races but I have no trouble keeping up with the solo riders I ride with occasionally. And that usually includes about 160# of dog ballast too.
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  4. cycleman2

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    As my sig & photo show, I have a 95 R100RT with a Kenna sidecar.Same gearing 3.36. With that gearing the rig works well, except for high speed work, like 75-80 on an interstate. Then revs start to get a bit high. The airhead is quite comfortable travelling in the 60-65 mp range with the above setup. Yes it will go faster but why bother. Moderate hills can be taken in 5th gear and the bike will hold its speed. Mountains it still works fine but if you are loaded ( 1272 lbs at a truck scale - my total weight last year with the spouse and all our gear ) you will want to downshift to 4th or lower depending on how high and long the pass is. Air temps don't seem to bother the engine.

    The lower gearing allows the rig to more than keep up with traffic and gives it good acceleration. I don't find driving a sidecar rig at higher speeds all that great. Everything moves around, wind can be a real pain, truck blasts etc, so I'm content at travelling the speed limit or slightly over, but that's about it. It has more than enough power for that.

    With the EML in question you would want to check out the engine as to what work had been done. It is kind of at the tail end of the years BMW had valve problems. EML are primarily desirable because of the fact that EML built a heavier frame and put the BMW components into the EML frame. With the newer manufactures of sidecar rigs, building sub frames that you bolt to the bikes own frame, and proper mounts there is not as much difference in rigidity between the two, EML verses non EML. Same goes with the cars with modern, heavier frames for the car & bembo brakes. If I was looking at a well kept airhead with a car and bike sub frame from one of the current manufacturers out there I wouldn't be afraid to buy it and don't always know that it is worth paying a premium for the older EML rigs. Very much a personal thing with me.

    As most things sidecar related it really just boils down to how you want to use your rig.
  5. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Cycleman2 the EML/EZS is worth the money the Dutch and Germans have been at this awhile. Lots of bitching about other stuff but not about the way the NL rigs drive.

    Spring is in the air !!!!

    2014 Indian Chieftain w/Hannigan Sidecar - $29000 https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/mcy/d/2014-indian-chieftain/6519207332.html

    2003 Honda VTX1800C w/ 2002 California Friendship III 2 pass. sidecar - $9500 (Savage) https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/mcy/d/2003-honda-vtx1800c-2002/6518518679.html

    Harley ultra classic /sidecar/sidehack - $19000 https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/mcy/d/harley-ultra-classic-sidecar/6481212921.html

    Ultra Electric Glade Classic ED 2004 w/sidecar - $20000 https://up.craigslist.org/mcy/d/d-ultra-electric-glade/6493748873.html

    Custom mini bike with side car - $725 https://kansascity.craigslist.org/mcy/d/custom-mini-bike-with-side-car/6518481986.html
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    SIDECAR W/ YAMAHA 650 - $2200 https://wichita.craigslist.org/mcy/d/sidecar-yamaha-650/6513350717.html

    Bobber with sidecar - $10000:fpalm:fpalmhttps://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/d/bobber-with-sidecar/6520955890.html


    2008 Suzuki Blvd VLR/RT 109 w/sidecar (TX Ranger model) - $6800 https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/mcy/d/2008-suzuki-blvd-vlr-rt-109/6468067709.html

    BMW GS1200 with sidecar - $9950 https://mobile.craigslist.org/mcy/d/bmw-gs1200-with-sidecar/6516646022.html

    Honda Goldwing f6b 2013 with Hannigan Classic SC - $15995 https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-goldwing-f6b-2013-with/6517308276.html

    Royal Star Venture and Hannigan Sidecar - $10500 https://raleigh.craigslist.org/mcy/d/royal-star-venture-and/6495201793.html

    Motorcycle Side Car by Vetter - :fpalm $2000 https://newjersey.craigslist.org/mcy/d/motorcycle-side-car-by-vetter/6515772932.html

    2008 Yamaha v- star tourer with custom sidecar - $8500 https://scranton.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2008-yamaha-star-tourer-with/6477433085.html

    2003 BMW K1200 LT - $6800 Ouch he dropped the price a bunch https://ocala.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2003-bmw-k1200-lt/6519915350.html
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    Steerable sidecar wheel rumored to eat tires, I'll bet it would take much to lock the steerable wheel up and DMC has probably got the bit to do it.

    Honda Goldwing - $18500 https://ocala.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-goldwing/6509050002.html

    Motorcycle with Sidecar - $8300 https://ocala.craigslist.org/mcy/d/motorcycle-with-sidecar/6484335477.html

    BMW Steib S-501 Sidecar - $4250 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/mcy/d/bmw-steib-501-sidecar/6519806469.html

    Honda Silver wing with sidecar - $4500 https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-silver-wing-with-sidecar/6499407077.html

    1981 shovelhead FXWG w sidecar - $7500 https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/d/1981-shovelhead-fxwg-sidecar/6499855477.html

    Suzuki with Sidecar - $6800 https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/mcy/d/suzuki-with-sidecar/6512462728.html

    2007 BMW K1200GT w/ Sidecar - $4995 another WTF one ought to be able to get 2k for the sidecar alone, https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/d/2007-bmw-k1200gt-sidecar/6515404796.html

    BMW K1200 SIDECAR - $30000 Get off them wallets lads https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/d/bmw-k1200-sidecar/6519440299.html
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    Ok lads it's only money ! Luke once told me WTF nobody goes to their grave regretting a sidecar purchase.
    The guy's a little out there (they always are) I think Hannigan gets around 16-17 for the sidecar and the mods !
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    Honda Goldwing Aspencade with Side Car - $2000 project https://rochester.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-goldwing-aspencade-with/6520922353.html

    2003 Suzuki Burgman 650 with sidecar - $4500 https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/mcy/d/2003-suzuki-burgman-650-with/6485386176.html

    MZ Trophy ES 250 con sidecar - $2500 https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/mcy/d/mz-trophy-es-250-con-sidecar/6515399317.html

    2005 Yamaha Venture1300cc :hmmmmmhttps://daytona.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2005-yamaha-venture1300cc/6471853571.html

    2008 Harley Electra Glide with sidecar - $12000 https://stlouis.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2008-harley-electra-glide/6516772911.html











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  6. Dynamick

    Dynamick Can not juggle...

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  7. High Octane

    High Octane Long timer

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    That’s one beautiful looking rig. I’m a bit surprised that it doesn’t have center hub steering though.
  8. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Come on Octane someones got to build center hub stuff and no in US is currently , the Bills probably never made allot of money off them.
    For instance since the Kawak's are pretty much the same one may have thought Hannigan would have kept multiple sets of hardware to assemble a few. apparently they didn't. I contacted them awhile back and Mr's Hannigan never returned my calls regard Kawa based center hub.
    The BMW is a neat and easy solution with allot fewer pieces build a wide front with the trail one wants for the Hossack front end https://www.hossack-design.com/hossack-1
    Add spring figure out the wheel situation and Bob's your uncle !
    Probably doesn't have the great steering geometry that a center hub delivers but who's going to run it as hard as it'll go ?
    This is Merica wide rig with big tires so it must be cutting edge, hyper fast German engineered ! It would be interesting to talk to Claude and the Bills about it.
    The trouble with HP rigs is they look cool and cost allot but as you and I both know, but very few of them ever get finished up and put into some sort of service .
    The one I had sold for 30k to the first buyer he kept it 4900 miles second one 20K he rode it 7k miles neither of them ever sorted the suspension, tires, leaky main seal could have been done on warranty WTF it's afluenza I got so dog damn much money I can piss it away on whatever I want ! Sod Off you punters ! :lol3

    Drive that thing to any rally you ever go to and you'll have conversation way longer than you ever wanted, I always thought I should carry a placard to sit in front of it .
    Don't bother the owner till you've read this
    entirely and leave the dog alone he's not
    bothering you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​
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  9. High Octane

    High Octane Long timer

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    You should just say “Meh, it’s a motorcycle and a dog, I’m into airplanes and super models.”

    Do you know how many K bike CHS rigs the Bills & Hannigan built?
  10. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    No idea maybe ten met another guy last fall at BMW rally bought one and it was all squirreled up but he's a machinist tool maker and sorting it out.

    The K's are a walking contradiction ! Lots of steam but complicated and not fun to take apart ! I wish I had kept Big Blue but the Kawa's are a better idea.
  11. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    That K-bike rig is actually about 30 minutes from me. It's even closer to @Gasket. Think I could pass myself off as a rich guy long enough to get a joy ride? :D
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  12. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    They look at your watch and your shoes ! Don't you have a class ring or something ? This is Merica no reward for humility !
  13. High Octane

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    Tell them you know DB.
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  14. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    The way I see it that K 1200 is maybe worth 5500 -6k, that sidecar the front end and assembly maybe 15K.
    It's hysterically overpriced !
    The way it's priced it should be a center hub Euro rig !
  15. G is for Guiness

    G is for Guiness Adventurer

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    Since it appears to be a non ADV seller on the K1200 w/ Hannigan side car would love to understand if it is set up properly? Loaded question I know since I have been reading the back on forth posts on "proper" engineering in this hack section!!!

    I know it has the power..... I contacted the seller and will share the questions/ answers to you all. If its $18,000 plus the bike value of $6,000. seems like he is high priced, but she is beautiful street machine......
  16. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Loaded question I guess ! It's all fairly subjective and Hannigan probably assembled it . It's about
    A How easy does it steer ?
    B How's the direction stability (tracking) is is easy to drive in a straight line and does it go where I point it ?
    C Does it chew tires off at a horrible rate ? (What's a horrible rate ? )
    The only real adjustment is toe-in and trying to get by with as little as possible to maintain directional stability, Lean in or out is not really possible with 8" + wide tires.
    Getting the springs correct would take some experimenting or information.
    In the US there's no industry standard for any of that stuff. In the EU there maybe some Engineering approval necessary before you sell something to the public.Here you want an experienced builder, you believe is honest.

    It is a beautiful road sidecar, How's the economy ? How far will it go on a full tank, does it have an auxiliary tank ? Luggage space ? etc etc etc
  17. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Hannigan site info is sketchy but at 30k it's way over priced http://www.hannigantrikes.com/products/bmw-high-performance-sidecar/
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    BMW High Performance Sidecar
    Base Price: $11,995
    Specs
    • Overall Width
      78"
    • Width of Sidecar
      40"
    • Length of Sidecar
      80"
    • Height of Sidecar
      33"
    • Trunk Capacity
      7 cu ft
    • Hip Room
      28"
    • Leg Room
      50"
    • Shoulder Room
      28"
    • Sidecar Track
      54"
    • Weight:
      225 lbs
    • Max Load Capacity:
      300 lbs
    • Ground Clearance:
      5"
    Pricing
    • ------------------------------------------------Options------------------------------------------------

    • Lighted Spoiler (painted to match) (includes installation)
      $245
    • 2nd Color Insert Seat Upholstery-Color: *base colors only-no customs
      $295
    • Plug 12 volt Accessory + Dual USB
      $50
    • Crating Fee (Only if unit is to be shipped)
      $195
    • -------------------------------------------------Paint---------------------------------------------------

    • Paint - One Color
      $1,195
    • Paint - Up To 2 Colors with Graphics / Stripes
      $1,695
    • Paint - Each Additional Color
      175
    • Paint - Pin-Stripe (price per each Stripe)
      175
    • Paint - Premium Colors/Paint (price per each Color/Paint)
      100
    • Paint - Spoiler Painted-1 Color
      100
    • **All Paint Options Include Center Line Fill & Finish

    • ----------------------------------------------Installation----------------------------------------------

    • Installation - Installation (includes tear-down prep of 2 wheeler)
      1,995
    • *Must be performed at Hannigan Motorsports
    2006-Present K1200R, K1200S, K1200GT, K1300R, K1300S, & K1300GT

    Standard Features

    Aerodynamic Body Style with Ground Effects, Spacious Carpeted Cockpit, Hydraulic Disc Brake, Anti Sway
    Bar (5/8" dia), Tonneau Cover, Tail Light (multi-function), Dual PIAA Head Lights, HMS Modified Rear & Front
    Tires and Powder-Coating of Rims (sidecar & stock bike), HMS Designed Hub & Axle, HMS Designed Front
    Fender, HMS Bench Monkey Seat (black only). Widened Bike Fork & Trail Modification (Hossack Front End).

    *BMW Color Matching requires panel with all colors & stripes sent ahead prior to painting*
    **All Color Options Include Center Line Finishing***
    *Installation Must Be Performed at Hannigan Motorsports

    *Prices and Specifications are Subject To Change Without Notice*
  18. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    It seems for what you get , auto wheels and tire plus fork widened , that Hannigan is offering a good bargain.
    I wonder about the fork and wide wheel combination. It seems to me there's no way the tire is going to stay in touch with the ground across the full contact patch. The turning of the bars will put the tire on it's edges.
  19. High Octane

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    So he wants $18k for a k1200 and a few options. :imaposer
  20. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    :fpalm:fpalm:fpalm Isn't the point of the centerhub caster adjustment, a bigger contact patch plus a negative camber curve when the wheel moves away from center.
    I don't know what the Kawak is like but Big Blue once you got the turn started wack it wide open and off you go either direction right where you pointed it.:-)