Harley-Davidson CEO serious about releasing an Electric Motorcycle in 18 Months

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  1. TheProphet

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    I've inserted my responses in Blue.

    it appears that you confuse Opinions with Fact, rumors with fact, etc. BS is an outright lie or falsehood, you also seem to be confused about what that (BS)means as well. You are also merely repeating previous anecdotal and/or opinionated stories from memory. Continuing to repeat them over again does not transform them into actual facts nor reality.

    You are 100% entitled to your personal opinions, which I totally respect, but if you attempt to offer them up as facts, and insert ancient made up stories as "proof", then no. Sorry. :-)

    Stories retold over and over, then added to, and garnished with each telling do not eventually become facts, they remain as fairy tales. :dllama:.... :dhorse

    As far as the unbelievably perfect and happy Buell owners go, here's a start:

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/looking-for-buell-input.1189161/page-12#post-31557766

    Research before you besmirch...... :beer
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  2. ctromley

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    I'm perfectly willing to concede that no one has a monopoly on facts. However, I have spent a long career on separating facts from opinion. And I can see from your response why others have labelled you a one-person Harley Defense League. As for your example of 'unhappy' Buell owners, by your reasoning and that example, the BMW driveshaft issues should have wiped BMW off the map. Spoiler alert: they didn't.

    Let's see what Harley does with the Livewire. And how it ultimately plays out. That's where facts and opinions will meet the road. I wish Harley well with it. I'm just glad we have more than Harley to bank on for the advancement of EMs.
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  3. TheProphet

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    Name calling and additional fact manipulation always help when attempting to defend an obviously incorrect point. Thanks for your contribution to the Thread though, and your considerable efforts. :beer

    FWIW, only failed bashers and Trolls, when they run out of ammo, and / or get caught out refer to us as "Defenders". I do the same for all brands of bikes, when someone spouts out fabric-facts. HD seems to be the most frequently bashed brand, so to the uninformed, it appears that way. We hear from you very frequently.


    Interesting that not one HD Livewire has been fully completed, nor sold to the public, but some folks are already attempting to condemn it. Me? I like to give every manufacturer an even chance to succeed, even if not on the first or second try. The Golden Rule is Three Strikes make an out.:ricky

    Note how at the end you almost made a positive comment, then couldn't help yourself and ended your post on the negative, displaying your true intent. :fpalm

    We knew all along. Cheers.
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  4. voltsxamps

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    Well I hope that Harley does well with it, as I really like Alta and want their partnership to flourish so we can see more of their fantastic powerplants on the road. Harley has the infrastructure and recognition.. Alta has the leading tech (Zero right there with them) and though an unexpected combination, it’s what Harley needs to attract younger riders. It may take several years to take hold, but if they stick with it and support it, they can make the transition without too many speed bumps.

    If there’s one thing that Harley riders (well, most of us really) like, it’s torque, and electric propulsion has plenty of it. I credit them for developing their own sound signature, and for keeping the traditional design unmistakably HD, at least what we’ve seen with the Livewire. Speaking of which, I hope they keep that name when they produce their first official EM. They should follow with a bagger EM, and eventually an EM equivalent for all their current bike’s. There’s one category though that I think Harley should look into that would attract more younger buyers: ADV.

    When the tech allows for real world distances of 300 miles or more on a single charge, a decent HD electric adventure bike would certainly draw some attention. Alta packs the most energy density to date, and Harley’s are typically bigger bikes to begin with, so attach modular battery packs disguised as side mounted hard cases and 300-400 miles may be a real possibility. That kind of range works for the road warrior as well. If executed well, I am optimistic about the direction that HD & Alta are going.
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  6. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    And TheProphet pollutes another thread with an off-topic screed... :fpalm
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  7. forkintheroad

    forkintheroad Been here awhile

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    I never really thought about an electric bike, but I'll admit, after years on a scooter and moving back to motorcycles, I hate the damn clutch and shifting. I've been pampered too long.
    I don't care too much about the brand either way. but if I HD could make a decent electric bike that would do what I need it to do, basically a commuter, I might be interested.
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  8. RCmoto

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    Does it have to be HD? There are already electric commuter bikes available now.
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  9. forkintheroad

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    I've seen the Zero but not a huge fan of paying an extra $3000 for decent range compared to the base model.
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  10. Parx400

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    Honestly you can call it a Harley in any other country except for the US. American Harley owners are the only ones who would get their leather panties in a bunch over a HD E bike.
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    Guess H-D didnt steal enough information from Mission Motors....:hide
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    I submitted a comment that is "awaiting approval." Here it is in case it doesn't get through:

    So Harley is, all of a sudden, going to enter several brand new markets where they've never competed before, each of which has very stiff competition already in place. The kindest thing I can say is that's pretty bold. I honestly wish them the best, but seriously - their past success came from arrogantly asserting they were the top of the heap, with machinery that is so-so at best. For a pretty long run there were enough people who bought into the whole branding thing to make that work.

    But in MULTIPLE brand new markets where they need to compete WITHOUT the benefit of a pre-devoted following, this is a HUGE gamble. Do they really think they're going to out-KTM or out-BMW the top guns in the big ADV market, right out of the box? Anyone willing to bet on Harley hitting multiple home runs first time out?

    Me neither. So Harley, and Harley riders, are going to have to get used to being just another brand before they can catch up on many fronts. It could be doable in a business sense. But man-oh-man what a huge culture shock. The Harley brand is going to become something Very Different from what it is now. For me, the business and product sides are not the interesting parts of this transition. I'll be paying attention to how Harley reinvents who they think they are. And how the markets respond.


    As far as the new, more production-ish Livewire is concerned, it looks like they bulked it up some and messed up the clean lines of the original demo bikes. I was sort of OK with the original, not so much with the new one. Too much froo-froo. I'm betting it was necessary to accommodate a bigger pack that the demo riders demanded.
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    If that’s froo-froo, then I like the froo-froo. I thought they took a cool looking electric prototype and made it look even better. If it packs more range as a result, I’m all for it. Hopefully it’s ergonomics, ride position, and a reasonable price are dialed in by the time it’s released because having an Alta powerpack at its core is enough for me to take it for a test ride.

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    Harley Davidson announced today multiple new electric motorcycle platforms that are in development over the next few years.

    According to Harley Davidson’s Chief Operating Officer Michelle Kumbier:

    “We’re going big in EV with a family of products that will range in size, power, as well as price. When you look at EV you know this is a whole new customer base that we are bringing in.”

    In addition to Harley Davidson’s 2019 halo model, the LiveWire, two smaller and more affordable electric motorcycles are slated for 2021 and 2022.

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    Kumbier described these models as “more middleweight, if you will” and designed for “accessible power”.

    Harley Davidson also plans to cover the lightweight electric motorcycle market as well, offering three different EVs designed to cater to the same market currently dominated by electric scooters, mopeds and higher end electric bicycles.

    These three vehicles include a utility scooter, something that looks more or less like a dirt bike, and perhaps most surprisingly for the bar-and-shield motorcycle company, an electric-assist bicycle.

    The development of these five new EV platforms won’t be cheap for Harley Davidson, as the company indicated with their investment projections. They plan to spend around $150-$180M on electric vehicle development through 2022, which will amount to around of one-third of their total operating investments.

    The other two-thirds are made up of investments in their middle/small displacement gas-motorcycles and shifting their retail footprint towards smaller retail locations in urban settings as opposed to their traditionally larger suburban dealerships.

    https://electrek.co/2018/07/30/harley-davidson-is-expanding-its-ev-team/
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    This is good news. I'll certainly be paying attention to the smaller production versions.
    Remember all that chatter we had about how Harley was going to market an EM that was VERY DIFFERENT from their standard fare? Many here suggested starting up a whole new brand. This gets into the gist of my comment copied above that was posted to the CW article. (BTW it was accepted, but now comments are closed.)

    If Harley isn't ready to turn their backs on the Harley brand yet, perhaps putting some of their line in smaller, hipper, urban dealerships is the next best thing. Hopefully they won't try to sell EMs alongside Road Glides and Sportsters. Maybe with the other new products they're coming out with they'll be much more 'normal' and it might work. Though those new products are really making them much more like Indian, who has a good head start on them. Any way you look at this, they are transitioning to becoming just another brand, and away from iconic-leader-of-all-that-is-motorcycling, even if only the faithful ever believed that. I guess it was inevitable. Retro only gets you so far.

    As I said above, the business and product transitions are only interesting to a point. There is really nothing that remarkable about their new ICE releases. Harley re-inventing their culture - now THAT'S going to be interesting.
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    The original prototype was much more farkle free than what they're going to try to shaft us with now. I would have considered going to a HD stealer to have a look. Now I'll have to wait for this one:
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    That would be cool if they bring some thing like that to market !!
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    Well, color me surprised. This is quite the ad for HD:

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