Have you stayed in a hotel lately?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by AK2ID, May 13, 2020.

  1. AK2ID

    AK2ID Been here awhile

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    I am wondering what the hotel experience is like now? Are they clean, dirty, empty, weird, normal??

    My thinking is that the higher quality hotels will be cleaner than ever....but, I have not been out to see myself.

    I live in a rural part of the country and there are several on-pavement routes I am considering for the future. The trips would include stays at hotels vs. camping. I am thinking good quality hotels will have low occupancy and be super clean.

    Thanks for any experience-based info.
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  2. tridawg

    tridawg Been here awhile

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    I stay in one in grants New Mexico Saturday night. Me two other motorcycles and one other car when I woke up. Quiet and clean the shower felt great after 3 days in the tent. they were only handing out sack breakfast but I was gone before it was served anyways.
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  3. AK2ID

    AK2ID Been here awhile

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    Interesting non-response to this question. Tridawg can't be the only one who has stayed in a hotel over the past month.

    So, maybe my question was not correct. Maybe a more insightful question is:

    ...What do you think about staying in a hotel as travel resumes?

    I ask because I want to go on multi-day rides, but have not quite sized up the true hazard of staying in a hotel. Others must also be chewing on this topic. Just wondering. I appreciate the thoughtful responses from other riders from across the country.

    Let's advance our understanding of this question...

    I will start.

    I live in the rural northern Rockies. There are lots of small towns, with low overall population density, and with few virus cases. Idaho's case numbers have been dropping since early April. As an example, the county I live in covers 4,569 sq mi, has 7,900 people and 1 case of the virus. Many small towns in this part of the country have nice, well managed hotels and simple cafes.

    My plan to get started is to go where I am familiar with the route and resources. My tentative route would be north up Hwy 93 to Lolo, west on Hwy 12 to Orofino. I would stay at the River's Edge Best Western. Always clean. Alway comfortable. The best restaurant in town is next door and will open this week. Day two would be north for an "out and back" to St. Joe River Scenic byway. Then backtrack to Orofino. Day three is to backtrack to Salmon.

    This will be a covert recon ride. I will be watching and learning.

    I am using data and judgement as I sketch out this initial multi-day ride. One of my favorite spring rides is from Salmon to Sun Valley. Every mile of this ride is fun and beautiful. Spring is off season so the town is not crowded. But...Sun Valley is one of the hottest hot-spots in the country and the highest
    concentration in Idaho.

    I hope to advance my thinking based on the responses from other riders.
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  4. dirtybike

    dirtybike Been here awhile

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    I would think that a major chain hotel like Best Western will be well cleaned.
    Probably most mom and pops will be clean.
    I am planning an east coast version of a three or four day loop next month: Lower Hudson Valley, North in to Vermont near Lake Champlain, East across northern Vermont, in to New Hampshire eventually to the Laconia area (Bike week, but bike week is postponed until August), then meander back home to NY. I reserved a hotel room in NH with a major chain, Choice Hotels. Choice has been chancy the past couple of years, foreign ownership of some properties (less cleaning and maintenance). I have not heard anything bad about Best Western. A friend/coworker uses BW.
    My main concern would be (me) transporting the virus to less inhabited areas. If you are in a low spread area and staying in low spread areas, why not go for it?
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    dirtybike Been here awhile

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    But in response to your original question, I stayed in hotels for a trip to Florida/Daytona early March.
    Two Motel 6's were better than most Motel6. Quality Inn in St Augustine Beach was fine.
    I expect that cleaning and disinfecting would be even more intensified.
    Guess that I should add that I was positive for Covid-19 after the trip, but I can not say where I caught it - Home area, trip south, tour of NW FL, Daytona area, trip home, or home area.
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  6. Amphib

    Amphib A mind is like a parachute....

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    Hard pass on staying in hotels right now. Even in the best of times I don't think they're clean enough.

    A local anecdote.... I live in tourist town. A local hotel near me is housing approx 60 homeless people to offset the demand on shelters. From a humanitarian standpoint, I applaud it. Normally I would not have an issue with this, but right now, with the virus, not to mention many are being used to help house front line personnel......I'll pass and stick to camping, planning routes accordingly.
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    AK2ID Been here awhile

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    Good comments...food for thought.

    Proceeding will not be risk free but it can be thoughtful.
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  8. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    I have spent much of my working life in hotel/motels. They are impossible to clean. getting good cleaning staff with a willingness to clean well is hard. Especially when bottom line economics is out into place. That said, most areas are creating "new" guidelines and recommendations for how to attempt to sanitize. I keep seeing a 72 hour rule being pushed. So the place must have been empty for 72 hours between guests. Sounds like a good start to me. The things I have seen done in hotel/motels all over the world would make for a very disturbing thread.
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    We had to use a couple of motels 2 months ago. To be on the safe side and before my wife entered the room, I spent 15 minutes with my hands in disposable rubber gloves, a spray bottle filled with isopropyl alcohol and a roll of paper towel; wiped down every conceivable touch point surface (left a wet surface so it'd evaporate) and didn't touch the TV remote control. I started with the key card and exterior door handle. Also used our own pillows after spraying down the upper part of the sheets with alcohol...

    Since then, the confirmed cases of covid-19 have risen drastically, not to mention the asymptomatic cases that we have no knowledge of their numbers. Today, I don't relish the thought of travel let alone staying in a hotel until a year has passed after a proven vaccine has been found. (We're in the high risk category, age related)

    If I/we had to travel now, I'd repeat the same procedures I related earlier. It'd give us a little better peace of mind.
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  10. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club. Supporter

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    The 72 hour period makes sense. What will it do to the cost of a room?
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    Supply an demand will dictate the cost, as it does everything......eventually. I have been told by realtors :hmmmmm about an ultra violet light they are looking at buying to sanitize a place after a showing. I have used one for back packing to sanitize water, works pretty well. However when sanitizing water, if there is sediment in the water, germ/bacteria etc can hide behind the sediment. So I'm not sure how well that would work in a hotel/motel room. I don't know if hotels/motels are looking at using something like that.
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    I provided paint and wallpaper maintenance services for a chain motel some years back.

    It was shocking the things people do in their rooms.

    Unless the room is being sprayed with bleach and dried by fire, there is no way I'd stay at a motel these days.

    A hotel, presumably, should be a different matter- but you are still relying on the least well paid staff in the building to protect your health and safety. :deal

    Probably, the more well known or boutique lodgings would be the best bet.

    I've been wondering about AirBnBs in this regard, as they are our preferred lodging when on the road.
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  13. dirtmarine

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    Another reason travel trailers and RV sales have been up this year. Only stop is for gas and that can be managed. I've been wiping down motel rooms with Chlorox wipes for 30 years and my wife shares similar view, Purell before meals in restaurants. Remember when they used real drinking glasses and then the videos came out about how rooms were cleaned? Glasses cleaned with dirty towel, pillows turned over, comforters never washed, etc. Yeah, some are good but how do you know? I imagine the chains, maybe some privates have good standards in order to maintain their franchise but how often are they inspected? I agree with the 3 day vacancy per room, seems reasonable with contact cleaning. As a Dr. friend says, don't clean too well, your immune system will suffer.
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    Around here the STR's or Airbnb etc have no real checks and balances for cleaning. County just last year started saying they could check for safety things, like smoke alarms and such. But not cleanliness. It's pretty much up to the owner what, and how they clean. The only thing I see mentioned is the 72 hr rule. There is even question as to "is that required, or just suggested". One local "host" owner told me yesterday, that it doesn't apply to them, and 24 hrs is only suggested. That became a lively discussion between another "host" owner as to what should be done. So I have no idea, and they don't either.
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    We ought to have campgrounds with roofed areas for tents...lean to's and such, nothing fancy...I'd camp every night under a roof. We've put our tent up on a shitty motel bed before and used our own sleeping bags...but for $75 what did I gain?...a roof. One trip in up State New York it rained 4 days...we had our tent up in the picnic pavilion and had a great time reading, relaxing and putting on our rain suits to go for a walk. I know....a bit of rain won't kill me..but..I'm supposed to be on vacation having fun....no one chooses to vacation in the rain. Getting dressed and packing up in the rain sucks.....it would be nice and comfortable to just be dry. My Mrs and I (both 70, two bikes) usually do 10,000 per year a mix of camping/motel/friends...we are MOST comfortable in our tent than any other option.
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    We had to cancel our big southwest ride this month because of closed motels and national parks.

    We were planning to spend about 11 nights in motels and eating in restaurants. We have been doing these and shorter trips for nearly 50 years.
    We tend to stay in cheaper-end motels.

    Last year was a big flu year. Why weren't these questions being asked then? We certainly did a few motel trips and never thought twice about it.

    Could it possibly be political and media hype and the ever worsening aversion to any risk whatsoever?

    Your chance of getting covid and the flu and the most likely symptoms don't look to me like more than maybe a factor of 2 higher if that - miniscule at << 1%.

    We travel in a group of 10-12. I can't remember anyone ever getting an infectious disease on a trip.

    But a couple of guys did get some bad bed bug bites at a motel in Kanab one year.

    If motels, restaurants, and attractions had been open this year, I think most of us would have gone on the trip.
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    In KY the state park lodges are near opening but a few will not as they've been housing those who were moved in from long term care or whatever.
    Many hotels in US will have declared bankruptcy or gone into foreclosure by the time of a delayed trip?
    Even our NF and the area I live in is not yet open. The trails have been open but the stupid guvmnt, IMO, closed the parking lots cause somebody drove by and saw too many cars in what are the ONLY places to park and hike. I suppose they wisely decided that people would drop in on helos?
    Local people like me who lives in the forest use it from our homes and I doubt there's much covid back where I was this week?But if you don't live here foods a dicey thing as is a a campground as they are closed. Why they couldn't think that a CG was arranged already and far more than 6' apart is beyond my paygrade...:rofl:rofl:rofl Lakes have had closed docks-explain that one to me?
    The Italian place we drive a 50k RT to get take-out pizzas and used to do sit-down Italian has stayed open. They were re-doing the floor the other day when I did our pizza run, so guy must be solvent, huh? He's a small business success story, Hispanic American from AZ, parents are one Mexican American and one Italian, he came here to the land of poverty and has run three Italian restaurants for some years now with great real food and low prices. Not easy to do where un-employment rates hover near what they have become elsewhere during covid-19 rates, plus the endemic poverty.
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    I will have little concern in staying in a hotel if the falling daily death trend continues. The daily US death rate is half of where it was about one month ago, and continuing to fall (4.33 vs. 7.89 deaths per million per day).
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    I tend to agree but it's not only about the death rate. Even if one gets it and recovers there can be lasting damage to various body systems including respiratory, cardiovascular and neurovascular. As an older distance cyclist I value that future and current good health a lot. I will let you younger guys push that envelope as you are at less risk. We do need to get people back to work now so I applaud any of those efforts.
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    You aren't correct on some of these. My credentials? A PhD biochemist, in the area, working to supply reagents for existing test, develop new ones, and one who uses mathematical models and analysis in almost all my work.
    Actually, your chance of getting this is far higher than the flu. That Ro (R-nought) value (how many the average person infects) is an exponent, not a multiplier. Flu is 1.3, typically, and Covid-19 is somewhere between 2 and 4, depending on how many cases are actually out there. I'll use 2.8, which seems to be a consensus in some areas. For flu, a value of 1.3 means that after 4 rounds of infection, 3 people have it. For Covid-19, a value of 2.8 means that after 4 rounds of infection, 61 people have it. At that point, your chances of getting Covid-19 are 20 times higher than flu.
    The death rate for both is somewhat debatable, because there are both un-diagnosed flu and Covid-19 cases. In any case, the annual historical death rate for flu is about 0.1%, and Covid-19 seems to be at least 10x higher (1%), although the current numbers, based on diagnosed cases, is at 6% nationally (as of 5/17/20). So that's 20x more likely to get, times 10X-60X more deadly. So you are looking at a risk that is 200x to 1200x worse.
    NOT 'maybe a factor of 2 higher' as you say.
    People that don't appreciate this, and are behaving accordingly, are the one that are making this worse.
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