Hello, where do I start?

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  1. Norfolkandgood

    Norfolkandgood Adventurer

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    Hello to all.
    I have a Yamaha XJ 600 Diversion/Seca sitting in my drive, also I have a Squire lightweight sidecar sitting next to it, these two need to be married.
    I have a few fittings that came with the sidecar when I bought it secondhand a few years ago, but I don't really know what I am doing...
    What I need is some information on what fittings to use and the safest, strongest way to mount it.
    Am I right in thinking that clamps are ok on the two front and one rear upper mounts, but something more substantial is needed for the lower mount?
    I don't think I can actually afford to have a professional fit it, this is all being done on a budget, I have enough skill to do it, I think, just not enough knowledge




    Thanks in advance for any help.
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  2. brstar

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    Welcome to the asylum.
    That's the traditional greeting here.
    Please keep us up to date with progress and pictures.
    There are terms you will be learning such as toe in and lean out.
    These along with wheel lead and trail etc will help you navigate the sidecar terminology minefield.
    Common sense is an outdated term in today's world.
    But funny enough if you follow it.
    You just maybe get where you want to be.
    Best of luck.
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  5. DRONE

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    I think Watsonian-Squire makes 12 or 13 different sidecars, if that's what you think you have. Perhaps you should post up a pic so we can see?

    Also post up a pic of your fittings laid out on the ground so we can see those as well.

    As for the bike, it looks something like this?

    Yamaha XJ600S 92 1.jpg
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  6. Norfolkandgood

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    Thanks for all your replies, I will try and get some pictures up when I am able too, very busy week for me.
    Drone, yes it does look like that, but a 600.
    I think the sidecar may be a Squire PV1, it was just listed as Squire Sidecar on eBay.
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  7. Norfolkandgood

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  8. Norfolkandgood

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    I haven't got pictures of the fittings, but these were on my phone.
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  9. DRONE

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    OK, so that looks like the Watsonian Squire Stratford.

    Here are some Stratford pics pulled from the web---->

    strat1.jpg

    strat3.jpg

    strat4.jpg

    strat5.jpg

    Looks like the makings for a very nice rig!

    Hope you are aware that Watsonian is still in business? https://www.watsonian-squire.com/home/sidecars/

    The Stratford is not part of the current line-up but they might be able to find a windshield or original fender for you. Perhaps even some written materials.
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    Flyin' Monkeys Wicked Witch Airlines Supporter

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    With all due respect to my esteemed colleague that posted above ^, that newly acquired Watonian sidecar that @Norfolkandgood picked up, is not a Squire Stratford.

    It is indeed a Watonian Squire PV1, from 1973.

    Watonian Squire PV1.jpg

    Note the different badge on the front cowling, and the light on the fender.
    They are both quite different than a Squire Stratford, but the same as a Squire PV1.
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    You maybe correct.
    This one is near Sydney on fleabay.
    A rare one here (or there).
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    Being in Norfolk you are not so far from Dave Angel at F2 Motorcycles.
    Got to be worth making contact.
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    IMG_20190726_115456306.jpg Another one.
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    Wow! So much alike! At least the OP now knows that he has the right fender.

    The pdf that @brstar posted above is hard to read, but it says the PV1 is designed for scooters. The very similar-looking Stratford and ST3 (perhaps the same tub mold?) have a 16" and a 13" wheel, while the PV1 wheel looks smaller to me, maybe a 10"? I'm sure the OP will fill us in eventually (under virus lockdown every day seems like a week!)

    Hope the OP will post more pics. Be interesting to see the frame, axle and suspension with the tub off. If it really is a scooter car, the metal bits might need some beefing up to handle a 470-lb tug.
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  16. Norfolkandgood

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    I actually got the chance to photograph some bits this afternoon. IMG_20200602_181925.jpg IMG_20200602_182011.jpg IMG_20200602_181828.jpg
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    I have cleaned some of the fittings, others I will clean.
    The sidecar tyre is an 8".
    The sidecar body looks too long to be a PV1 but the wheel and mudguard are clues that it is.
    Does anyone agree?
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    That wheel and suspension unit look like a trailer unit. I'd venture to say the frame was modified to take the suspension unit. Heck, I'd even venture to say that frame is home made. I've never liked clamp on mounts, I consider clamp on mounts as "temporary" mounts only. Real mounts are fabricated after you figure out if you like the sidecar or not.
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  19. brstar

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    A basic sidecar at the time.
    Rubber block torsion suspension was common enough on budget rigs.
    It would be fine at scooter speeds.
    Even a bit faster.
    The rubber may need replacing which could be a problem.
    The clamps are common as well.
    Could it be better?
    Of course but you have to start somewhere.
    Clean and paint.
    Set it up and have some fun while planning your next rig.
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  20. halflive

    halflive Been here awhile

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    It does not look that bad. Torsion suspension is normal for Squire. By the look of it you ar only missing a fwd lower fitting. After cleaning i would plase the tub level next to the bike with a 30cm wheel lead. Then start looking which parts you need to make a connection for the two lower points. There are probably bolts/attachments around the foot peg and the fwd engine mount you can use with adapter plates.
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