Honda CB500R/ CMR500

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by cabanza, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. Blackshirt

    Blackshirt Long timer

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    I really like the Honda 500 twin. It's light, narrow, and puts out 14 more hp than a KLR650. The CB500X also has incredible range; over 300 miles on a 4.6 gallon tank!
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  2. zap2504

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    It looks like something happened to the Pipeburn site. Search "Smoked Garage Ronin". They Scramblerized a CB500X.
    3/29/2020 - Looks like Pipeburn is back up
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  3. Chillis

    Chillis Long timer Supporter

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  4. Mustang_64_HL

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    Where did you get that info?

    What about Gaokin, another chinese manufacturer that is currently building a copy of the current Honda cb500 lineup engine like Loncin but with two different displacements?

    Leave a link here or something where it appears some real information about that.
    Thanks
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  5. Johann

    Johann Commuterus Tankslapperus

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    The A2 licence laws in a lot of countries mean the minimum weight for a 47hp bike is about 386lbs, the power to weight is restricted to a max of 0.26bhp per kilogram. That´s the case in the UK and Europe, ultimately the reason the CB500 was 10hp down on its predecessors in the first place.
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  6. Mustang_64_HL

    Mustang_64_HL n00b

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    Hey man, is that your bike?
    Awesome NX4 Falcon, I've got one too, mine it's a 2004.
    I'm from Portugal
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  7. Johann

    Johann Commuterus Tankslapperus

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    Cool, that´s about three of us that own one on this site then! Also in Portugal. I can´t remember how old it is 2003/4 I think.
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  8. Modron

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    I did some more detailed research as what I wrote before was just something I've heard. It appears that I was wrong. They didn't buy the rights to that honda engine. Gaokin uses the same Loncin built engines, same as Voge, Colove and others. I don't understand how they can legally sell bikes with copied engines outside of China (maybe someone can enlighten me).
    They do have the right to use the BMW650 engine though, but only in China.
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  9. Mustang_64_HL

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    Loncin has a partnership with BMW, they build engines for BMW, if you search for that you will find that information easily. The 650 Rotax engine used in the GS650 and Aprilia Pegaso 650 was built by Loncin and now that it's "discontinued" they continue to build it to use in their own motorcycle lineup.

    That engine is made in china by the chinese company Loncin and it's their own project, based on/copy of the current Honda CB500 lineup engine made and build in the Honda factory in Thailand. Gaokin is also making copies (also own project) of the Honda engine with a few aesthetic and material wise modifications like Loncin
    Link of Gaokin: https://www.gk-engine.com/
    Loncin and Gaokin don't have and never had any agreement or partnership.
    Honda have a lot of factories around the word including china and don't need others to build their engines, being Honda the worlds biggest gasoline engine manufacturer in the world.
    You guys can see those factories trough the official Honda website, Link: https://global.honda/about/group/category.html?category=manufacturing-facilities.

    Here you can see the Honda factory in Thailand where they (Honda) build and assemble some of their engine like the 500cc or the 650cc, Link:

    I'll leave a few links of factories in Thailand that build cast aluminum parts for the Honda engine and more.

    Link of the factory that builds bolts for them: Link: http://www.thaimeira.com/customer.html

    Factory that builds cast aluminum parts for their engines and other parts of the motorcycle
    1º Link: http://www.bdialloy.co.th/
    2º Link: http://www.bdialloy.co.th/products/motor-cycles-parts/

    Factory that builds pistons for Honda, Link: https://manoyontchai.com/joint-venture-company
    And more
    Loncin BASED their engine on the Honda one, changed a couple of things in the design as you can see in the head between the valve cover and head and also the materials are not the same. The Honda does between 2.8L to 3.5L of fuel consumption riding slow with calm accelerations and opening the throttle a bit more nervous and faster accelerations respectively while, as reviewers of those bikes stated fuel consumptions between 4L and 4,5L+ per 100km. The Honda 500cc engine have the same anti-friction technology and manufacturing processes as the CBR1000RR thus being more smooth and having better fuel consumption.
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  10. Mustang_64_HL

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    Those engines are made by Loncin and Gaokin and they're a copy of the Honda PC44E from the Honda CB500 lineup that have been discontinued for awhile. The newer engine is the PC62E that have a lot of changes (for the better).
    Here is a link of a Chinese motorcycle news site where they talk about the Loncin engine and why Loncin choose to copy an Honda engine instead of using a BMW with whom they have a partnership for a long time now.
    I recommend you to activate the automatic translation.

    Link: https://www.chunfengxing.com/1042.html

    I'll leave here a link of a video on YouTube where you can see the Honda engine being built.

    Link:
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