Honda CB500X

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by JimmieA, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Oyabun

    Oyabun 親分

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    Cool thanks. So we're at five sets so far.

    I have identified the following wrench sizes which would be good to have around.
    24 and 19 are the rear axle sizes.
    14 - 12 are the front fork triple pinch bolts
    (14) - 17 are for all suspension linkage bolts
    And 10 is used all around the bike. I can also get an open spoke wrench on one and 8 an another
    Thought of an open end 10 and 14 also to be able to adjust gearshift linkage and rearview mirror as they cannot be adjusted with closed end wrenches.
    Size 24 could be stacked longer for added leverage to break and torque the rear axle.
    So all this could be cut from 6062 T6 alloy, realised in 3 easy to use wrenches. I'd cut the 24 from 8mm thick sheet and the two others from 6mm.
    Does anything else comes to mind?
  2. Scootrider

    Scootrider Adventurer Supporter

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    Hi Oyabun, Would be interested and would want to do a little more than cover your costs!
  3. boothmoto

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    Took a spill on my cb last weekend. I hit gravel and the front wheel went out, had a decent slide along pavement. I was very impressed with how little damage the bike sustained, huge credit to the RR engine guard. It likely would've ground through the engine cover and broken plastics if the guard wasn't installed. Also impressed with my pelican case, ground down a good bit of a corner with no real damage.

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  4. BeanRidin'

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  5. SR56

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    OHjim...Thanks for trying :D. Only set of real knobbies I have found that come in a 17" front and rear are the TKC 80s.

    MotoSpen...Thanks and good catch. Saw your post after I looked up the 804/805 Shinko :lol3.

    Cruz did mention the MT60 Corsa Pirellis :nod...they look like good tires, just not quite as aggressive as the TKC 80. Anybody looking for a good dual purpose tire might want to check them out.

    Bridgestone does have a new tire that will fit the '18 and earlier 17" front as well as rear...BATTLAX ADVENTURE A41:
    https://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/detail/pr142/




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    Borrowed a spanner to fit my rear shock adjuster and now my front and rear springs are set to the stiffest position possible. With my 210 lbs on the bike, the SAG checks out about right and the bike handles better. I wouldn't call the handling great but I would call it better/good when pushing it a little harder on pavement.

    All this talk about knobby tires...now I am not so sure I really want to take this monster off road :lol2. The general rule of thumb I have tried to impress upon my local buddies is any bike that leaves the pavement shouldn't exceed 299.9 lbs (they call it my 300 lb rule) with a full tank of gas and my 500X weighs 431 lbs full of fuel.

    Of course to each his own...as long as you are having fun, it just doesn't matter :-).

    Back to tires...there is also the BATTLE WING BW-501/BW-502 which is rated good in this video (that is not it pictured):

  6. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    There are degrees of 'off-road' as I'm sure you appreciate SR56 - I was riding some pretty gnarly forestry single track on my XR400R yesterday, and while a good chunk of it I might have managed (albeit very slowly and carefully) on my Rally-Raid CB, there were plenty of sections which I'd consider impossible to navigate on a 400+lb bike - tight hairpins with roots and rocks for example - which at the very least would have had you dropping the bike in a really difficult position to recover... while on the XR it was a breeze, and huge fun!

    However, the CB (again, with the right mods) is an awesomely capable and forgiving machine to ride in 'Adventure' off-road conditions - that is typically unpaved roads, and Jeep-trails/2-track conditions - I always say, basically anything that is in the Garmin GPS mapping software, you ought to be able to navigate on a LEVEL 2 CB500X - including the Rubicon of course ;o)

    Jenny x
  7. backroadbender

    backroadbender Been here awhile

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    Id be interested. I like things that serve more than one purpose. That’s why I ride a 500x
  8. rexelstar

    rexelstar Been here awhile

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  9. Bigshot

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    I would be interested in the tool set also.
  10. Johnytuono

    Johnytuono Been here awhile

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    UK here.....interested dependant on shipping etc
  11. boothmoto

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  12. Oyabun

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    Thanks for all the feedback on the combined spanner set.
    So far I've received interest for 12 sets from here.
    Tried to send feedback via group private chat, but it's limited to 5 participants, so I do it here.
    I'll draw up a first version of the wrenches and get quote on cutting and hard anodising them by end of next week and get back to all of you.
  13. boothmoto

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    Figured out the vibration on mine. The RR engine guard was the culprit. One of the welds holding the metal plate to the tubing has broken on the left side allowing the plate to vibrate at 5k. I got some zip ties in between the plate and the tube for now until I have access to a welder.
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  14. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    2019 indicators (turn-signals) on earlier bikes

    A pre-[r]ambling introduction... For a while now I've wanted to replace my big orange egg-shaped turn-signals on my 2014 model with something slimmer and sleeker looking... of course there is nothing wrong with the OEM indicators - indeed they are excellent at what they are designed to do, being very bright and also pretty robust [in the event of a drop], and other than the running light filament [in the US spec bikes] blowing on a couple of occasions, they have proved faultless through many tens of thousands of miles. Honda also use them on any number of their other models too, so their track record is proven.

    However, ever since the new Africa Twin came out in 2016 with it's slim LED indicators (only in Europe the first year), I always felt the traditional filament bulb style lamps now look a bit bulky and dated? At the time I bought a set of the Africa Twin indicators, thinking they'd be essentially plug-and-play together with simply swapping the OEM flasher relay for an LED specific one (note. it's a four-pin relay on the CB, and a dedicated replacement designed to maintain the original flash rate with LEDs is cheaply and readily available on Ebay for example) - only to find those original first generation [ie. 2016] Africa Twin LED turn signals were actually 7.4v and also required a stupidly expensive step-down transformer relay to drive them... yes, I blew two of them before I realised*... at least I was able to return the other two.

    *there is tiny printing on the lens of each lamp stating the voltage.

    So I shelved that idea until more recently when Honda started fitting [very similar shaped] LED turn signals on their latest generation of bikes, and a quick noodle at the parts fiche revealed that these latest ones (which are also fitted to the 2019 CB500X of course) are traditional 12+ volt LEDs and don't require any special transformer/relay, just a regular LED relay designed to maintain the original flash rate with less load - which is something I now already had on my bike of course.

    So enough of the waffle Jenny - what do you need to fit the 2019 style turn signals on an earlier generation CB500X?

    First of all, the front and rear turn signals are different - the fronts include an extra wire (as did the US spec earlier style) for running lights, but otherwise physically they are the same shape - and here a size comparison with my existing lamps:

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    As you can see, they are not actually any shorter - which personally I think is a good thing, since the whole reason for sticking with OEM style turn-signals and not tiny little aftermarket variants, is so that I can actually be seen in the chaos that is California traffic...

    However, I trust you agree the longer/thinner lens section immediately looks much more contemporary and gives the visual effect of them being much more compact?

    So along with the FL, FR, RL and RR individual lamps (see parts list below), you'll also need the matching rubber mounting boots/grommets, plus the metal inserts for those - and four M5 bolts to sandwich them all together.

    note. If you look on the 2019 parts fiche, you'll see the rear rubber mounts and metal inserts are both slightly longer, and a slightly different shape - this is because the rear turn signals mount to the same 'eye' shaped recess in the tail piece (which is carried over from the previous generation model), while at the front, the new fairing has recesses specifically to match the revised shape of the LED turn signals.

    However, Honda being Honda, I was confident that the actual oval section of these rubbers that fits through the body panels would still be the same, and it is:

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    ...which means I elected to buy two pairs of front rubbers and their corresponding inserts, as these are lower profile and also cheaper than using the dedicated rear mounts - and that other than a slight difference in the tear-drop shape of the outer flange (which really isn't noticeable unless you really know what you're looking for), they bolt right up and still look 'factory'*

    *note. if you really are being precious, there is nothing to stop you ordering two pairs of the rear rubber mounts (and their metal inserts) instead, which have the exact 'eye' profile to match the earlier generation tail and headlight fairing recesses - but these are essentially twice the price of the new shape/front mounts.

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    Rear turn signal mounting

    The rear pair of turn-signals have only two wires, and are plug-and-play into the existing connectors on the loom - you just unplug the old ones, and fit the new ones in their place.

    note. The LED turn signals require a separate bolt to mount them (rather than having the threaded part on the lamp unit, and just a dome nut to secure as the earlier lamps do), and if like me you're using the front rubbers all round, you'll simply need four 20mm long M5 bolts to mount them - you can order the Honda ones of course, but I simply used some button-heads I already had in my metric stash at home.



    Front turn signal mounting

    At the front, things are slight different - you can still 'plug and play', but you need to do some plug swapping first...

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    As you can see, while the earlier generation lamps had a single block connector with three terminals, the 2019 LED version for the CB has the flasher as a pair, plus the third [running light] wire is on a separate plug... why? goodness only knows - particularly as the very similar looking turn signals on the CB300R (for example) seem to just use a single (three pin) plug as before.

    However, it is actually easy enough to unclip the pins from the existing block connectors, and swap all three wires from the new lamps into the connector from the originals, so that they just plug straight back in to the loom as before.

    note. You could be an animal and either cut off the original connector blocks and re-solder the joints, or even cut both ends off and use your own bullets or similar - but why would you when you can do a pukka job as long as you have a tiny flat-blade screwdriver (or similar poiky piece) to unclip the tangs and slide the pins out.

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    I would admit that while the two flasher pins are easy to unclip, the third (running light) pin can be an utter bastard to undo, as you can't see inside the tiny hole... I'm sure there is a proper tool to do this job, but as I say, with a little perseverance, it's possible with a small 'watchmakers' screwdriver for example.

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    One thing to note at the front, is that for some reason, the LED + and - wires are reversed in the 2019 block connector/loom, so when you reconnect them in the three pin block, make sure they match up with the actual loom on the bike, as LEDs don't work with reversed current.

    So with that little job done, all you need to do is mount them to the front on the bike in a similar fashion - note. it is far easier to remove the whole fairing assembly and work with it on your lap upside down than to try and fiddle around with the connectors and bolts from underneath!

    cont.
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  15. JMo (& piglet)

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    cont.


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    photo. front LED turn signals include a running light circuit on US spec bikes.


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    photo. being OEM, they are just as bright as the filament style ones they replace.


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    photo. view from the cockpit - much more contemporary!


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    photo. and from the front, very tidy thank you!


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    photo. similarly at the rear - they also work really nicely with the R&G tail-tidy too.


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    photo. close-up of backside.


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    photo. close-up of front. you can see how the 2019 style rubbers are only a slightly different shape to the previous version, and as I mention above, if this bothers you at all, then you can always buy two pairs of the 2019 rear rubbers, which are slightly longer, but do have the exact profile to fit the 2013-18 model recesses.


    So that is pretty much it!


    List of parts required:


    33450-MKP-A01 Turn Signal L. FR (x1)

    33400-MKP-A01 Turn Signal R. FR (x1)

    33650-MKP-A81 Turn Signal L. RR (x1)

    33600-MKP-A81 Turn Signal R. RR (x1)


    33452-KZZ-J00 Rubber L (x2)

    33412-KZZ-J00 Rubber R (x2)


    33415-KZZ-J00 Collar, Turn Signal (x4)


    note. you do need to buy 2 x left and 2 x right rubbers, as they are shaped inside to mate up with the corresponding tabs in the lamp unit assembly. The metal inserts (collars) are all the same however.

    As I mention above, the only other thing/s you’ll need is 4 x 20mm long M5 bolts - to mount each turn-signal in place; plus a replacement LED specific flasher relay for the CB500X (Ebay).


    Hope that helps, or at least inspires!


    Jenny x
  16. Swanster

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    Hello everyone
    I'm looking at buying a CB500X but don't know whether to go for a 2016 - 2018 or a 2019 model
    I've watched loads of videos on youtube and have heard a few people complaining that the 2019 models are more vibey than the older ones. Does anyone here have any experience of the two??

    Thanks Swanster :-)
  17. afordableperformance

    afordableperformance Been here awhile

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    I had a 2015 ABS and now have a 2019 non ABS. I like the 2019 much better overall, I haven't noticed any more vibes on the 19 than the 15. As a matter of fact my 19 feels smoother than the 15, but that could be partly to the tires that were on the 15. There are many nice updates on the 19, instrument panel and clutch for sure, then the swing arm and chain adjustments, handle bars, wind screen is a bit better and the 19" front wheel is a plus for me too. I know some people may have been talking about vibes in the handlebars and possibly pegs not the type tires, but I haven't noticed any more vibes thru the bars or pegs. I do have hand guards on the 19 and did not on the 15 if that makes a difference.

    What I feel needs improvement on both bikes is they could have better ground clearance and suspension and a touch more power. Some also say the pegs could be placed a little differently and there are kits to do that, but I haven't noticed so much, although I don't disagree, just depends on the individual height and riding style. There are great deals on all variations, new, used, left over, modified, whatever floats your boat! But, I think if someone is looking for a new bike a good deal on a '19 is probably better than a good deal on a left over, at least for my preference.
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  18. lesmeister

    lesmeister One of the OLD Farts Supporter

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    Looks good, please add me to the list. Thanks. . . . . .lesmeister
  19. racer

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    Good luck finding a 19. Next available in March, 2020 according to reports here. Racer
  20. afordableperformance

    afordableperformance Been here awhile

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    Depends on where you live, my local dealers have them in stock, saw a 2019 non ABS on the floor this past Saturday.